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Rio Bravo - VS - To Have and Have Not


One of my all-time favorite movies is “Rio Bravo”. I just watched “To Have and Have Not” for the first time and I was struck by two lines of dialogue that seemed strangely familiar. In “To Have”, Lauren Bacall kisses Humphrey Bogart once and then again and after the second time she says, “It’s even better when you help.” In “Rio Bravo” Angie Dickinson kisses John Wayne once and then again and after the second time says, “It’s better when two people do it”. Later in “To Have” Lauren Bacall says, “I'm hard to get, Steve. All you have to do is ask me.” At the end of “Rio Bravo” Angie Dickinson says, “I’m hard to get, John T. You have to say you want me.” Even their characters are similar, a mysterious traveler with shady skills (one’s a pickpocket, the other a gambler). They are even the same age, 22. There are other similarities as well. In each movie a young yet worldly woman becomes involved with a much older man who never calls her by her name (in “To Have” Humphrey Bogart calls her Slim instead of Marie; in “Rio Bravo” Angie Dickinson’s character isn’t even given a name, just referred to as “Feathers” or “The Girl”); in each the leading man arranges for her to get out of town, then comes back from somewhere to find she didn’t go; in each she gets a job at the local saloon where the leading man lives and hangs out. I knew both of these movies were directed by Howard Hawks, but didn’t know if that would completely account for the similarities. So it wasn’t much of a surprise when I found out that both movies were written by the same man, Jules Furthman, fifteen years apart. Before now, I don’t think I’ve come across a screenwriter who borrowed so heavily from himself to write a movie that wasn’t a sequel or a remake of the original.

All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.

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Nicely pointed out. My guess is it had more to do with Hawks, who borrowed from his own films the things he really liked more often than just this one time. Worked pretty well in both cases.

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Also, if I'm not mistaken, both movies were written (or at least co-written) by Leigh Brackett.

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OP, are you saying that the Bacall & Dickinson characters were "22" or the actresses themselves? Lauren was 19-20 in "To Have and Have Not;" Angie was 27-28 in "Rio Bravo."

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That's right, the characters. In "To Have", Slim's age of 22 is given when the French official is reading her passport. In "Rio Bravo", Feather's age of "about 22" is given when Chance reads to her a handbill he received.

All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.

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Got'cha, kincaid!

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Hawks was a notorious recyclist. You can also catch a few nods to Red River, his earlier western classic, in Rio Bravo.

Pay attention to the way that the Ricky Nelson character scratches his nose in contemplation...taken right out of Montgomery Clift's book. And then the song "My Rifle, Pony, and Me" was a variation of "Settle Down".

Hawks of course then went on to remake Rio Bravo as El Dorado.

I also love the Sergeant York reference in The Thing from Another World.

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It's Hawks.

He kept recylcing themes throughout his career. Also, Hawks' vision of a female love interest / romantic lead stayed remarkably consistent throughout his career. I've seen it said that this is why he almost always changed leading ladies: the different actresses helped obscure the fact that the characters were all written the same.

If you want to hear another set of variations on basically the same lines in yet another Hawks movie, made in yet another decade, with yet another leading lady: check out Only Angels Have Wings where it is Jean Arthur talking to Cary Grant.

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Yeah good call with the Only Angels Have Wings comparison. I thought of that when I was watching Rio Bravo too!

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Nicely pointed out. Having seen both of these movies more than a few times i wonder how i missed it.

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Rio Bravo easy because the Duke destroys Bogie to be honest.

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According to Jean Arthur, Hawkes wanted her to say the "Just Whistle" line in Only Angels have Wings, but she refused, thinking it was cheesy. Hawkes claimed it would make her a star. Years later when Jean saw Becall do it ( and become a big star) in To Have and have not, she called or wrote Hawkes and said you were right and I was wrong. I guess Hawkes had some sentimental attachment to that line.

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To Have and Have Not.

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