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Assuming there WERE two Bats, which one was...


I'm still having a hard time with the idea that both Wells AND Anderson were the Bat, now on one hand this makes sense: we know Anderson was the Bat the last time we saw him, and we can wager he was the one there the time before last when he pounded that hole in the wall, and by that logic we can figure Wells was the one who killed Mark Fleming and made off with the blueprints...BUT, what about the first time the Bat tries to get into the house? Now both sides look very good for this: Wells knows about bats, he has some in a cage, be very easy to slip one out, haul down to his lab where the operator hasn't been able to reach him, come back and get it...but on the other hand it was very convenient that Anderson just happened to find that hole in the front window upon arriving and he was not at headquarters when the Bat struck.

What's everyone else's idea on this? If there were 2 Bats, who was the first one? And for that matter, who was the one who committed the previous murders?

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Oh, thank goodness -- someone else who thinks there might be two bats! The first Bat was Doc Wells: Wells always thought the money was in the house, he was motivated to kill Fleming in the cabin, he acted suspiciously and ominously toward Anderson, he would appear right after the Bat would disappear, he had the injury on the left side of his neck after Van Gorder hit the Bat with the fireplace poker, and Wells was keeping bats in the room next to his garage. My wife and I have a theory that Anderson discovered Wells' Bat costume in a scene that was implied, not shown. Here's a question I can't resolve: Why was Anderson going to leave that written message in Wells' room? This doesn't make sense for two reasons: If people found Wells dead and the note on the wall, they would wonder who had killed Wells, and for what motive. Second, if he was going to dress up as the Bat, then no one would believe that Wells had been the Bat if the Bat continued to appear after Wells was dead.... The movie deserves credit for its atmosphere and creation of mood, and also for the way it gives plausible deniability to the main characters. Here's a final thought: for the first half of the movie, Anderson is overtly suspicious of Wells. Why would Anderson need to be suspicious if Anderson were the only Bat? We'll watch the movie again and pay special attention to the timing of Anderson's discovery of Wells' room, and to the appearance of Anderson in the Bat costume.

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Good questions...but I have to admit, I never thought the note was odd. People refer to themselves in third person mode sometimes, I guess second person wouldn't be so much odder, 'HE destroyed HIMSELF', it would be a bit more original as a suicide note than 'I did it'.

And as for the second question...I'm figuring either once Anderson got the money, he would quit appearing as the Bat, after all the Bat committed a string of murders the previous winter, and this was the summer, meaning I guess that he took the spring off, but then why? And if Wells was the first Bat, why was he killing people in the first place? They NEVER went into any details about the murders he committed the past winter, so we'll never know, but since the money had only been stolen recently it couldn't have been for that. But another thing to consider is he may not have known that Wells' body would be found as quickly as it did, HOW did the police found out? We never know that either. But it's possible he figured he could kill Wells first, and then the others at the house, and get away, and it would look like Dr. Wells killed the others first and then himself. OR, he DID set fire to the garage to get everyone out of the house, if they had stayed out of his way he may not have tried to kill them, and his escape would be vague if noticed at all and it could still tie back to Dr. Wells.

And as to why Anderson would need to be suspicious of Wells? If you're visibly suspicious of someone else, everyone else will notice this and nobody will think to be suspicious of you. It's done all the time in TV shows, books and movies, the guilty party not only is so offended by the suggestion they could've done it, they will lash out at any available scapegoat and hang them out to dry, just like what he tried to do with Warner. Only Warner was an acquitted suspect and Wells was a highly respected doctor in the community, it wouldn't have done Anderson much good to publicly come out and accuse the doctor without any evidence to back it up. Those are just my thoughts on it but I think they make sense.

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You got most if what I gathered as well....my response was to the original poster....

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No they wouldn't bc he wrote that note implying it was suicide! As if the bat couldn't take his guilt anymore! And he didnt plan on killing anymore People or dressing up as the bat bc he thought the women would be alone bc police guy was drugged and he was gonna sneak in finally and take the money that night, he was ending the bat and pinning it on Dr. Wells. And there wasnt two bats I it doesn't really imply that, when you guys say Wells snuck the bat that first night rethink that scene, Anderson was sneaking around Dr Wells lab if you remember, then later that night a bat gets in the girls room, it appears it's wells bc we think the cop was into Wells bc it's implied he is the bat, but he's not its LT Andersin and he went in the lab to steal the bat to make it look like it was Dr Wells bc he had bats he was experimenting on, it was his plan all along to pin it on Dr. Wells which is why the movie made it seem like it was him. It was obviously a trick and it worked bc you guys still are thinking there was two when it was Lt Anderson all along.

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If there were multiple bats, who were they?

1. Bat goes on a killing rampage last winter

2. Bat breaks in and send his protege to bite Lizzie

3. Bat kills Mark

4. Bat looks for secret room

5. Bat kills Wells

6. Bat finds secret room


1. Could be anybody, but the fact that he uses live bats makes me think Wells. However, Wells states he can't murder because it's too messy. Then again, when his back was against the wall, he sure didn't hesitate to kill.

2. Again, a live bat makes me think Wells.

3. Both Wells and Anderson knew Mark was coming. Whoever it was has the blueprint.

4. Assumed same as #3 because of the blueprint. Gets hit with the poker and Wells has the injury.

5. Obviously Anderson

6. Obviously Anderson.

It seems Wells is the bat up until Anderson decides to frame him. We know Anderson snuck into Wells' lab and discovered the bats. Perhaps he also discovered the Bat costume. Then after he knew Wells got the blueprint, he snuck into the lab again, donned the costume, and waited to kill Wells, the real Bat. I think it's the only way the pieces fit. But if it is the case, why not let the viewer in on it and show more info to make it proof positive?

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Somehow I just can't buy Wells as the real Bat, I'll admit this movie is SO far vastly different from its two predecessors that you can't really expect the pieces to tie together, but in every version of the Bat there has always only ever been ONE man behind the mask and that IS Anderson...or what we THINK is Anderson. In the first two movies, 'Anderson' was the Bat but he was only posing as Detective Anderson, and the real Detective Anderson entered late in the picture as a beaten and bloody unknown who is dazed and doesn't know anything, until the time is right and he jumps up with a gun ordering everybody around if they value their lives. HOWEVER, the doctors in both previous movies had their own shady dealings as well, they were involved somehow though it was never deliberately spelled out, we only know that he assists in the Bat's escape from the secret room, ODDLY enough since early in the movie he knocks Anderson out and ties him up and steals the blueprint.

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There was only one Bat--Lt. Anderson.

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