Insanely stupid film


My god...people in the 1950s knew so little about the world around them that this passed for entertainment?

Jimmy Stewart, one of best actors in American history ( Winchester '73 and Anatomy of a Murder demonstrate that) was stuck in this third rate "thriller" with Doris Day, who was actually holding her own.

(SPOILERS and Plot holes)

1) Chairs stay warm for roughly 10-15 after someone has sat in them. If you feel the seat you can tell someone has been there. The police apparently are/were unaware of that.
2) Churches were never locked in those days and there was always someone there
3) Mistaking the name of a building for the name of a person? Really?
4) Taking a small child hostage when killing him would be far more effective?
5) Even back in the 1950s, people had to know that they would make poorer detectives than the authorities. Why not simply tell them your story and see what happens?


If you are looking for a logical thriller that is anything other than a reason for Doris Day to sing her trademark song (twice) and for Jimmy Stewart to get paid, then you need to keep looking.

Bad films are a crime against humanity.

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This wasn't an "insanely stupid" film but it does suffer from many of the lapses in logic and the non-credible behavior that afflicts most of Hitchcock's films. Like TMWKTM, most of Hitch's movies are very enjoyable but don't bear much scrutiny when it comes to believability or consistency, even within each film's own context.

Stewart may have been as good a choice as anyone for this part but he overplayed it, turning in one of his weaker performances, acting more like a cliched version of Jimmy Stewart than a real midwestern doctor. I disagree about Doris; I found was extremely annoying and off-putting, though she was more "real" in her performance than Stewart was in his.

To the points you raised:

1) The cops didn't enter the chapel because they lacked a search warrant, so criticizing them for not noticing the warm seats is misplaced. Still, things like that would be another example among many of Hitchcock ignoring facts that don't suit his plots.

2) Churches were often locked (at least the interior beyond the entry, when no one was around) and left unattended for stretches of time, and anyway this was the chapel of some sort of cult-like group, not a "normal" church, so traditional practices probably wouldn't apply.

3) Well, why not mistake the name of the building for a person? "Ambose Chapel" sounds like a man to me. Who would first think it referred to a real chapel? This one I give to Hitchcock.

4) How would killing the kid be effective? If the parents knew, or even thought, he was dead, what incentive would they have to keep quiet? They'd spill everything they knew. Keeping him alive and promising to release him once their plot was completed was the only way the kidnappers had of blackmailing the couple into staying silent. This criticism makes no sense. Killing him afterward might be an option if the assassins wanted to be sure to cover their tracks -- which makes the parents' refusal to tell what they knew less credible.

5) I agree, the parents should have worked with the authorities. There was no guarantee they'd get the kid back anyway, and probably no more danger to him if they'd gone to the cops than in trying to be amateur sleuths. But had they done so, the point of the movie -- however inane or stupid -- would have been lost.

As I said, most of Hitchcock's films are short on logic and have lots of plot holes. Rear Window, a better film, has so many lapses in logic and sense that when you start to think about them the film becomes absurd. Same with most of his other movies. Whatever the merits of specific points in TMWKTM (either the remake or the original), singling it out as particularly poor in this respect isn't really justified. It's about as strong, or weak, as the rest.

Incidentally, Day hated "Que Sera Sera". It did become her trademark song but she's never liked it. But they needed the plot device of retired singer playing the song she sings with her son. Her other song, sung at the very end at the embassy while her husband, son and the kidnapper are walking downstairs, is a much lovelier tune.

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this was the chapel of some sort of cult-like group, not a "normal" church


I don't see any evidence for that claim.

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Then you haven't watched the movie.

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I just watched it last night. The hymn they sang was not exactly uplifting, but this is England after all.

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I thought this was supposed to be some sort of sun-worshiping group, or at any rate certainly not a mainstream Christian denomination. If not a cult then some off-center fringe bunch. This may have been more explicit in the 1934 version. I may be mistaken about specifics but in any case I don't think this is a conventional church. Also had they been of a regular or recognized Christian denomination, I'm sure the film would have run into trouble with the censors for demeaning an "established" religion.

Indeed, the dirge-like singing is another tip-off that this isn't a group on the Archbishop of Canterbury's roster. My wife is English and used to sing and give readings at C of E services, and while she agrees they have some dreary hymns she never saw such services or heard such an awful tune!

In any event, per the OP's thread subject, this movie is neither insane nor stupid, though it is a film.

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If it was something like that, they portrayed this awfully subtly (though I'm not a present-day churchgoer here in the U.S., much less a British churchgoer in the 1950s, so depending on your wife's age she has much more reason to know).

I thought, come to think of it, they might give us a little more idea why the conspirators were all part of this church, why they were apparently working for this unnamed country's ambassador, etc. But none of this was ever explained.

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You asked about those last points on your new thread, where I offered some speculative answers.

Again, I got the idea that this church was not a mainstream body, but rather some nutty religion headed by an off-the-radar preacher (akin to, say, Mel Gibson's father's "church"), but I also don't think it matters much since the church seems to be merely the cover for their real occupation.

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i can admit that there is the most stupid line in the history of cinema: "don't you know that americans hate their children being stolen from them?"

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Oh, I can think of lots of worse lines from lots of movies. I don't find that one so bad.

Personally I hate their repeated reference to the murdered man as "Louis Bernard...the Frenchman!" -- as if "Frenchman" were a job description or somehow signified being mysterious.

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"don't you know that americans hate their children being stolen from them?"

That was meant to be a cute political statement to reflect all of the kidnappings in the middle east. You can't deny how many kids get taken in 3rd world countries. It's insane.

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better than being butchered in the west in the name of abortion.

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“My god...people in the 1950s knew so little about the world around them....”

Yes, having five years earlier completed a world war in which 16 million Americans fought in Europe, Northern Africa, and all across the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans, 1950s Americans knew so little about the world /sarcasm/

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