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Is Joan Crawford A Gay Icon? If So Why?


Somewhere in the 1950s, her face congealed into a frightening mask. She should have played Medusa. I don't like her; I can't understand why they made movies where men fell all over themselves for her.

Sterling Hayden said there wasn't enough money to make him do another movie with Joan Crawford.

She has to be one of the most repellent actresses of the 1950s. I find Barbara Stanwyck in the 1950s to be far more sexually attractive and interesting, so it's not an age thing.

So what am I missing that everyone else loves about her?





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From the 1920s to the 1970s...one word: SURVIVOR. Well maybe another word as well, GLAMOUR.

Dammit Carol Sue, where is the vodka?!

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Look at the guests at her Jenny Stewart's party. Do the math.

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I think Crawford is a polarizing figure. You either love her or hate her. I go through phases where I adore her but she's a bit much for me to take on a daily basis. One definitely has to be in a certain mood to view her films. She did go through a stage where her physical appearance was rather.....severe (to put in diplomatically). I think she was attempting to hold on to her youth but the cropped auburn hair, jet black brows and over painted mouth were doing her no favors. I chalk that up to the era. It seemed like the makeup and hairstyles of the time were very aging. A good example of this is Judy Garland in A Star Is Born. She was only 32-33 in that film and looked at least ten years older. Arguably her pill popping and boozing didn't help matters but I think her hairstyle was unflattering and aging.

Not being gay myself, I can only guess that Crawford is a gay icon because she is viewed as a fierce, strong woman. She would not be denied her place as a star and refused to be pushed aside by studio heads who thought she was too old. There's also the glamour aspect. Even when she looked a bit insane, she still put on the dog with her Jean Louis gowns and jewels.

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Hi Joe, whatcha know?

I think three words sum up why some gay men have given Joan Crawford iconic status: brows, balls, and bitchiness. Throw in over-the-top behavior, an aversion to wire hangers, and too much cologne -- JC doused herself with Youth Dew -- and you have the archetypal gay man. And if tubes of "Fresh Balls" had been available in Joan's time, she would have used that too both on her own and on the countless pairs that swung into her life. (With the holiday season upon us again, remember that "Fresh Balls" makes a great stocking-stuffer for that special someone in your life! It'll make him feel much more confident and you won't have to make that face anymore. Read the rave reviews and get a tube or two today at amazon!)

And like many a drag queen, Joan was all flourish and image, but once the makeup, fuchsia gown, ten pound wig, and Pepsi Cola bottle cap necklace came off, the bitching and raging began. In other words, just another day in the average gay person's life.

So there you go, Joe. I hope this answers your question.


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It's the androgynous aspect of her persona that attracts gay men, at least that's the conclusion I finally came to myself, why after watching 'Whatever Happened To Baby Jane," I ventured to wanting to know more-- wanting to watch their films -- about Bette Davis and Joan Crawford, having no knowledge whatsoever of they being gay icons.

.;*We Live Inside A Dream*;.

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The "androgynous aspect of her persona," Joshieboy? Interesting theory.

It's nice to see that the men at UCLA are still thinking outside the box.

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But here you are, starting a thread about her. I think it's time you come out of your Crawford closet, joeparkson. (Also, you never returned to the thread you started, so this may have just been an act of random trollism.)

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I actually agree with Joe, and many others probably do as well. I don't think it's a trolling issue, but rather a matter of taste. I can see how she is a gay icon, but she does nothing for me personally.

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The OP is pathetic. I knew Joan personally and she was always lovely and feminine whenever I visited her at her New York apartment in the '70s. I did her nails and she was very kind to me. You idiots talk about a star as if you knew her personally. You're just nobodies who have nothing better to do but watch Joan's movies to ridicule her. I knew her personally so you have no right to make fun of her, much less pretend to know the facts about her.

Don't worry, I ain't on the side of saints yet.

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Joan always treated her fans very well. They made her famous and keep her legend alive to this day.

Remember, if you ever decide to write a book about her cuticles and toe-jam we "nobodies" would be the ones to buy it.



Because you wouldn't eat your beets, Aunt Nellie is working the streets!

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If true, must've been a fascinating for you. But then, of course, your post trails into Jenny Stewart territory by making personal attacks on people you don't know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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She also had a good deal of gay friends who she was always very open and accepting of.

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