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The 'Fit as a Fiddle' segment has a homosexual undertones


Not that there's any wrong with that. Just watch it again.

Also the Good Morning song has bisexual posturing. I should know because I know how to critically analyze a film and you don't

I shall call him Squishy and he shall be mine and he shall be my Squishy.

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Not surprising. The Production Code era of Hollywood was a time when certain filmmakers had to be a whole lot more subtle about their film's content.

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Yes, you're totally right! Forgot about the Production code. A LOT of pre-code movies didn't even try to hide things!
I shall call him Squishy and he shall be mine and he shall be my Squishy.

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I remember a "daisy chain" reference in a Charlie Chaplin film...I think it was CITY LIGHTS.

Life, every now and then, behaves as though it had seen too many bad movies

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I don't think there's anything of the sort in a Chaplin.

You might be mistaken with Holiday Inn (1942).

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You know how to critically analyze a film and we don't? Really? Please, tell us how.

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The Fit as a Fiddle sequence is every bit as astonishing as watching Donald O'Connor dance up the walls in Make 'em Laugh. Watch how the two characters move around each other, it's extraordinary. The trivia section doesn't say how many takes they did, but they must have rehearsed that scene for weeks, "homosexual undertones" or not.

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"Fit As A Fiddle" was the second musical number completed for Singin' In The Rain, after "Moses Supposes." O'Connor remembered filming as pretty straightforward, and the number was shot in a day and a half.

Kelly choreographed the number quickly, basing it on some of the early routines he used to do with his brother Fred when they were just starting out; he duplicated everything he could remember, including the booing of the crowds.

(from Singin' In The Rain: The Making Of An American Masterpiece by Hess and Dabholkar)

The OP's ability to "critically analyze a film" is about as good as his grammar.

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Yes - and thank you for the grammar comment.

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Oh good God.

(-"John Adams")

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I'm dissapointed you'd see it that way and i'm pretty sure back in those days people could go on more than 3 seconds without seeing sex everywhere.
With this kind of attitude in 10 years people will look at a Beatles video and say it has "gay undertones" just because there are 4 men standing there together.

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<< There are no sexual undertones in Fit As A Fiddle. It's just a wonderful, lovely dance. >>

Well put, BlueEyes72. The OP is attempting to project his own warped sensibilities onto a popular (but innocent) work of art. I think he is seeking to justify his own misguided choices in life by desperately seeking out "role models" from the past. But it's all in his mind.

"Fit As A Fiddle" is a terrific tap-dancing showcase for Kelly and O'Connor.

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Yes, just as Joe McCarthy was seeing Communists lurking behind every lamppost and hiding in every file drawer, so some people have to see something sexual in everything. "Dear Uncle Sigmund, ..."

We have to remember:

Observations are relative to the observer.
— Albert Einstein
or, as someone else put it:
We don't see things as they are; we see things as we are.
— Anaïs Nin
For my own part, I say:
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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
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I love your response! But then I could just paraphrase my answer to the OP as " who gives a toss?" I enjoy these boards, but every now and then I know I am going to come across posts that either question a film sequence due to:
race
sexual orientation
sexual overtones (real or imagined).
politics (and how sad it is to see people tear into each other!)

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wwKentucky said:

The OP is attempting to project his own warped sensibilities onto a popular (but innocent) work of art. I think he is seeking to justify his own misguided choices in life by desperately seeking out "role models" from the past. But it's all in his mind.


Disagreeing with the OP's opinion is one thing, but do you have to use homophobia to do it? YOU may think his "choices" (and sexuality is not a choice, regardless of what your pastor told you...anyone with a brain knows sexuality is biological) are misguided, but what does that have to do with anything?

Are you capable of discussing a film without proselytizing? I doubt it, somehow.

wwKentucky also said:

IN YOUR OPINION. Millions of people would strongly disagree with your statement above, and I am one of them.


So? Millions of people would strongly disagree with you. Bigotry in numbers doesn't make it not bigotry. "Morality" is subjective...but I wouldn't expect a bigot to understand that. So, when did you decide to be straight?

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YOU.

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What's to be disappointed about? Your response is quite over-the-top.

Cosmo, by his own words (elsewhere) is gay. Don is clearly interested in the ladies, but the song is about two guys who are ready for love. There's no woman anywhere, and they're climbing all over each other, playing with each other's bows. You'd have to be wilfully blind not to get the gay undertones. Still, the only "sex everywhere" in this scene is in your mind.

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Cosmo, by his own words (elsewhere) is gay...the song is about two guys who are ready for love. There's no woman anywhere, and they're climbing all over each other, playing with each other's bows





You've failed to describe "Fit As A Fiddle" accurately, but thanks for sharing your eye-opening fantasies.

Of course, those who've watched the number attentively know that Cosmo never touches Don's bow, and they're also aware that Don never "climbs all over" Cosmo.

And in what scene does Cosmo ("in his own words") admit that he's gay?

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So the lyrics passed you by, huh?

Hi diddle-diddle, my baby's okay
Ask me a riddle, and what did she say?
Fit as a fiddle and ready for love

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The main reason that Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live

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I'm fairly sure trifles like facts and research will mean very little to a borderline obsessive textbook case for Sigmund Freud.

(Freakazoid, Freakazoid!)

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So the lyrics passed you by, huh?

Hi diddle-diddle, my baby's okay
Ask me a riddle, and what did she say?
Fit as a fiddle and ready for love
Yes but they are both singing to the front, they are not singing to each other. You might just as well say that "Unchained Melody" is homosexual.

Let Zygons Be Zygons.

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That's quite a stretch. Besides, Cosmo is shown putting the moves on a girl during the premiere after party.

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The original poster just made his absurd comments as a prank to set off a couple of pages of arguing. No other explanation makes any sense.

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I've always though that about 'Fit as a Fiddle', but I've always felt that "Good Morning' had rape imagery.

"What do you want me to do, draw a picture? Spell it out!"

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but I've always felt that "Good Morning' had rape imagery


lolwut?

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JESUS H CHRIST!

I'm so sick and tired of people trying to see sexual undertones, gay or not, in every freaking film! There was no undertones to that song, I don't care how much you claim to know how to "critically analyze film," stop trying to see things that aren't there.

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OK, first of all, I don't agree with the OP.

BUT, I also don't agree with all of you who are so up in arms about a possible gay reading of the scene. There is nothing "immoral" about homosexuality or inherently "innocent" or "correct" about heterosexuality.

Watching the film, I was struck by the way Gene Kelly had more chemistry with Donald O'Connor than Debbie Reynolds. I don't think this points to a homosexual relationship but it's clear they had more fun together and that their musical numbers (not counting Good Morning) work a lot better. And then for a huge chunk of the movie, Kelly is off with Cyd Charisse. I find this is a flaw in the Gene Kelly movies I've seen. Brigadoon, An American in Paris. I just don't buy his relationship with the female lead. They never have enough substance and it seems like he'd rather dance than devote screen time to developing the relationships.

Lina Lamont stole this movie.

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A guy who gets along better with his best friend whom he has known for years than a woman he has meet just recently, that is unheard of! I heard Kelly was never good with women as he claimed to be, does that make me question his sexuality? Of course not. Not every straight male is a big hit with the ladies.

How well structured the relationship between Kelly and Reynolds' characters depends on how you see it. I saw nothing wrong with it, just two people who work in Hollywood falling in love. It's totally arbitrary.

In no way did I imply homosexuality was immoral or heterosexuality was more correct, so don't pull that card on me. I'm just sick of people who have to see sex in everything, straight or gay.


Passengers will refrain from killing my soul! ~Bus Driver Stu Benedict

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All films should be remade as child molester porn...and this coming from a generation who wear their pants around their ankles. Never trust anyone under 20.

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<< There is nothing "immoral" about homosexuality or inherently "innocent" or "correct" about heterosexuality. >>

IN YOUR OPINION. Millions of people would strongly disagree with your statement above, and I am one of them.


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