Why the show failed


I really think the main reason that the show failed was due to the inability of the show to hold on their main stars and characters. I was watching a really old show the other day with Nick, Alan Michael, Dylan and other classic characters and it made me realize how good it was back then. Why didn't they ever bring back Dylan? I mean look at his resume..its not like he was a highly sought out actor. Any thoughts?

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I think it is because they had some really bad writers and other crew members. I really think that the show could of done a lot better then what it did. I could of thought of a lot more storylines for actors then what David Krizeman (or whatever his last name is) did. Then it was Ellen Wheeler who I think really killed the show.

The main thing with the show was the writing, the camera work, and the acting. It was like most of the times the actors were acting on next to nothing. Oh, and that pitiful rock music they used to play. The main focus of that was to attract in younger viewers. As a younger viewer: That music was awful. I watch old soaps that had been off for a long time some before I was born, and watching the episodes that led up to their conclusion was better written, and better acted. If other P&G soaps lasted until around the late 2000's like SFT,EON, or AW, they would all probably been as bad as GL was in it's last few years.

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Yea I'm starting to realize that the writers are what's killing soap operas. I really don't understand why they are trying to appeal to younger generations...younger people don't care about soaps. I still think part of the reason the show failed was due to its inability to hold onto the classic characters.

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Yes. This is so true. I don't really know anyone my age that watch soaps. Let alone older soaps that been canceled. Most people my age are more interested in the so-called nighttime soaps which is all about spoiled teenagers. I think if they really want to gain an audience agian, they need to go back to their roots. Create interesting characters, and storylines.No one on a soap seems to be believeable anymore. If you ever notice on most soaps it's always the same thing now. It is either a baby storyline or a murder storyline, and they end up killing off a fan favorite.

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Yea one of the major annoyances for me about guiding light was the whole reva and josh storyline. It was so boring and not to be mean but Reva was so nasty, especially at the end. I really wish they could have brought Nick and Alan Michael and other more enjoyable characters.

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I have to agree with you on that Reva was a bit nasty. I really thought it was poor writing how at the end they never mentioned of Jeffery. Whether he got Edmund or not. They just had Reva and Josh ride off into the sunset at the end. Something that annoyed me was how they made Johnathan come back leave and come back.They actually thought he was going to bring in huge ratings. His character was annoying to me. Then they bring back characters and give them little scenes. Well, I have to say that GL did better with bring back characters then AMC. Another soap that is known for bringing people back,but don't give them any lines.Just let them stand in the background and look out of place.

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https://www.datalounge.com/thread/15085158-guiding-light

Any story line that had Roger Thorpe played masterfully by Micheal Zaslow was a fav. He was fantastic! Loved Alan Micheal Jr too. The death of Christopher Bernau who played Alan Micheal Sr. (who died of aids in 1989) was a huge blow to the show, he really was irreplaceable. Ron Raines sucked. The loss of the impeccable Beverlee McKinsey who played Alexandra Spaulding was another huge blow, and when Michael Zaslow left and later died (he was diagnosed with Lou Gehrig's disease & was written off/fired) well it really sealed the shows doom IMO.

It was not only the loss of those 3 superb actors that ruined Guiding Light, but the quality of the show for the last 10 years was pure shit! They had plenty of time to turn it around, but it just got worse and worse. The last year was embarrassing to watch, they has no sets and everything was filmed outside, it was disastrous and pathetic.

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The show took a big risk in 2008 when it switched over to the new production format (hand-held cameras, more shots on location rather than on a set, etc...). I know the producers claimed this was done in order to give the show a more "real" quality and they were hoping it would "revolutionize" day-time soaps, but instead it turned out to be the straw that broke the camels back. The show was not only shot on a shoe-string budget the last two years, but it came across that way as well.

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yea the cameras were terrible.

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For me the straw that broke the camel's back was the writer's strike. I was a new viewer and loving the show and the direction of the storylines. The scab writers threw all that down the toilet. I agree that the change in production format didn't make anything better.

I definitely agree with the previous statement about soaps trying to appeal to younger people and it's not working. Producers and sponsors just don't get it. Many of us began watching soaps at a young age because our parents had it on tv when we were growing up and that's how we got into it. Therefore, appealing to a more mature audience the way they used to is a win-win situation. I've been saying this for years.

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Didn't GL win the Emmy for best drama two years ago. If it was that bad then how did that happen?

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I really don't think any soap now deserve to win Emmy for best drama. That they did win along with Y&R, I believe. I do have to say one thing, GL did have a couple of good storylines that year,but they didn't keep up the good work.

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I really don't think any soap now deserve to win Emmy for best drama.
LOL... I've been thinking the same thing for a few years now. With soap ratings the way they are they don't even deserve an Emmys show. My memory is the same about GL winning alongside Y&R that one year.

I just read a news story about how the primetime Emmy show may become a thing of the past. They'll probably have an awards show broadcast over the net, but not on tv.

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oh I agree. Soaps suck. They rely too much on younger actors to carry the show and the writing and stories(recycled) are horrible.

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Didn't GL win the Emmy for best drama two years ago. If it was that bad then how did that happen?

The real question is how did B&B win best drama recently? That story has one basic plot. Man & woman have sex! Doesn't matter if they're related by blood or marriage. Even borderline incestuous doesn't matter! Which is probably why GL hooked Tammy & Jonathan up.

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I agree with most everything said here...very good points. Another thing GL was notorious for was killing of fan-favorite characters. My "what the hell?" moment was when they killed off Tammy. I loved Tammy. Why did they feel the need to kill the character off just because Steph decided to do other things? Yes, it created a dramatic moment for her death for which I believe won Tom his Emmy, but was it worth it? I'm not saying Tammy would have saved the show, but that was the first sign to me Ellen was really mucking up the place.

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I think the show failed because of the decline of viewers of soaps in general. GL's demise was also hurried along by shaky cameras and cheap sets. The writing didn't help matters either. A lot of ridiculous Reva stories which should have been toned down.

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The general lack of characters being themselves is what is causing all soaps to die. They would all be long gone if not for their past success. Soaps are like one hit wonder actors that are really overrated, but are still given parts.

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But that's just the point......producers and sponsors know where their revenue comes from.....their 'target demographic' is typically age 18 - 35.....that means they will do whatever it takes to reach that market...as that is why they find are generating the most revenue for them....

Once corporations started owning movie studios, television companies, etc., instead of just being advertisers, it changed the ball game, drastically....there is very little concern for 'art' in the arts when they are corporate owned....it's all about how much money it makes. Guiding Light no longer appealed to the 'target demographic' like it used to....dramatic serialized television fell victim to 'reality' television passed off as 'drama'....

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ganymedelvr,

I enjoy what you say about concern for "art". If any of you over 40 were lucky to see ANOTHER WORLD in the 1970s, you could appreciate that not only was it a number one ratings blockbuster, it was so much more "upscale" than the others, the writing of Harding LeMay, the art galleries, sculptures, the elegant sets, the rich NBC color, the more "mature" actors, big wardrobe budget, lots of broadway theatrical talent and staying true to the characters.

GUIDING LIGHT went to one hour and became the competition. It's writing was great! The headwriters brought in the Marlers, Spauldings, and eventually the Lewises. Roger and Alan were the supreme Rogues of Springfield.

What tipped the "soap scale" and dynamics was the youth explosion on ABC. GENERAL HOSPITAL copied ALL MY CHILDREN's young love theme and the Bobbie/Scotty/Laura triangle lured teens by the thousands. There wasn't much "art" nor loyalty to the elder characters.

ANOTHER WORLD lost millions of viewers by expanding to 90 minutes. Some tuned out permanently, others switched to GUIDING LIGHT or GENERAL HOSPITAL.

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I apolagize, I got way off topic ! But I believe that if networks really cared about the shows, they would do everything in their power and PR to save them.

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I think the title of this topic should be "Why these shows failed" because it wasn't just Guiding Light that failed, it was a lot of the others as well...and those that are still going are slowly dying.

I think these shows failed due to multiple reasons, not just one cause. First of all, the changing face of America and the American family. When these shows were at their height was probably the 70's to the mid 80's. At that time most mothers stayed at home during the day and were "stay at home moms". They were home and what did they have no television at that time? There were three major networks to choose from and that was it.

In the late 80's, mothers began to leave the house and go out and work as a necessity due to economic strains and the need for independence itself. So at that time, more and more families were gone during the day.

At this time, cable was exploding and this carried into the 90's. Look at daytime television now, there is are numerous networks and shows to choose. It's not just the big three any longer. This is another reason the ratings began to decline.

Finally, the shows themselves forgot who their audience was. And as many have said here they began trying to appeal too much to younger audiences and this was NEVER their audience. When is the last time you met a 16-18 year old worry about which laundry detergent to buy or which dish washing liquid was the best? If you find a kid that age worrying about that, I'll give you a million dollars. Yeah, young people may watch the shows, but they aren't the main audience and they never have been.

Again add poor and outlandish writing and not keeping up with the current situation of America and the world. It was just one recycled plot after another.

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The shows failed because the ad revenue they could draw didn't cover their production costs. This caused the show to be moved from Manhattan to smaller Brooklyn studio space, which they shared with ATWT. The hand held cameras and on the run location shooting probably gave GL another three or four years because it reduced set and shooting costs.

The idiots on this board insist on blaming the writers but that's just moronic. It shows an total lack of knowledge how these shows work.

The writers can write great detailed storylines but only if the shows can afford to film them. When they can't, the writers have to rewrite to budget. To do so, the storylines get simplified, the casts get slimmed down, the sets and scenes get reduced. Production departments get cut. Continuity people and technical consultants are the first to go.

How writing works is they get together either yearly, six months or quarterly and come up with several tentative storylines. Then the accountants and set people figure how much it will cost to film them. If they don't meet budget they get changed or simplified down until they do.


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https://www.datalounge.com/thread/15085158-guiding-light

It could have been saved before 2004-ish, but as much as the former P&G executive in charge Mary Alice Dwyer Dobbin fucked things up (and she did) the writing for both GL and ATWT was on the wall when she left. CBS & P&G literally milked the last drops of blood out and once the profit margin sunk to zero, they both got the axe.

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There are only a few soaps around today. The last several years that Guiding Light was around the writing was AWFUL. The writers destroyed several beloved characters, and had some really hideous, nonsensical plot lines. But in the end, what has done in all the soaps are a combination of financial concerns and changes in the American lifestyle.

It's a lot cheaper to produce talk shows or games shows than it is soaps.

Also, the primary audience for daytime soaps was always housewives (along with high school kids and college students.) Most women are employed outside the home these days, so the stalwart audience of steady viewers had dwindled considerably. FWIW, there seems to be an audience for night time soaps such as Revenge, Gossip Girl and a resurgent Dallas.

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GL and a host of other soaps started in the era of devoted homemakers and during the 80's through 90's it appealed to younger viewers by exploring dramatic topics. The writing for this show also had some very "bizarre" twists with character resurrections and extending some characters beyond the natural life of its actor. Some characters had gone through three or four actors/actresses while others were written-off when actor/actress left.

Also, killing this daytime genre is emergence of reality tv and talk tv. Game shows and soaps which were the predominant fare leading into the 90's would be competing with cable tv movie channels, independent stations syndicating talk tv and reruns, and cable news. P&G and Colgate--the prime sponsors of daytime serials, at the time--also found additional media channels for product placement as the audience for serials took on daytime jobs and daytime activities away from television.

Some networks tried shifting daytime serials to prime time, but don't recall it having success against prime-time serials. Daytime serials generally had slowly evolving stories--plodding day by day, while prime-time shows were geared for weekly running with swiftly moving stories.

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Yes, the inability to hold on to fan-favorite stars, and writing out classic characters, contributed greatly to Guiding Light's demise. But I think there are two other big factors that hastened that demise.

First, they got away from what made the show great in the first place. While GL had its share of impossibly rich and beautiful people behaving badly (like all soaps), its appeal was in the Midwestern setting, with characters that might remind you of yourself and your family. Once Reva and Cassie became queens and princesses of remote islands, viewers fled in droves.

Second, they reacted to the general decline in soap viewership in a fashion that was way too extreme. The hand-held, low-tech cameras and non-studio settings were supposed to serve the dual purpose of cutting the budget AND trying something new and innovative, which might have roped in some new viewers. Ultimately, these experiments were a disaster, resulting in a show that had a garish and unpleasant look. No other soap picked up these "innovations," and with good reason. Nobody liked it.

I miss GL a lot; it was always my favorite soap. But I slowly started to lose interest around the late '90s and early 2000s, and by the time it ended, it was a wreck that did not resemble the GL of old at all.

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The show didnt fail the writers failed it and the viewers. The ratings were low because more and mre use to be watchers now have to work. Its not the stay at home happy homemakers world anymore. Daytime soaps are becoming the days of the past.I am 54 and stopped watching soaps about 10 years ago because i was sick of the same couples after 20 years still hooking up and breaking up It gets old after so long. Look what they did with Josh and Reva , I mean seriously. Thats why soaps are being killed. Yep the soap writers are killing them. They cant come up with anything new and they should all lose there jobs and go collect unemployment because they had it in the palm of there hands and they freaking blew it!

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I think the show failed because of reality TV. What the 401K was to the defined benefit pension so the reality show became to the soap - a cheap yet overly hyped competitor that was actually a shoddy replacement. Networks wanted soaps to be cheaply produced just because of their reality TV competitors. Thus the sets began to look cheap and the production just got shoddy and rushed. This lost viewers and gave the networks what they wanted in the first place - a reason to boot the expensive soaps in favor of the very cheap reality shows. When soaps first came on the air up until the turn of the 21st century, you would HAVE to script this type of material, for it was considered shameful to behave such a way in public and talk about your behavior to total strangers to boot. Not so today. You've got people lined up around the block for their chance at their five minutes of fame even if that five minutes has them remembered for behaving like rutting pigs before a national audience.

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Well I will tell you all why I stopped watching GL. I stopped watching 10-12 years before it got cancelled & never returned. As much as I liked the Reva character & Kim Zimmer I got tired of her and Cassie(I didn't care for the character or LW. Loved her on Loving, but she bugged me on GL) hogging the screen. I also didn't like how they would ruin characters to make them look good. Annie made a good villain, but sometimes I think that they took it too far with her. Same can be said for Dinah. Instead of putting her with Vanessa's doctor(they had a lot of chemistry & a lot of the viewers saw it that way too), they decided to make her go psycho to make Cassie be the victim & look good. I truly believed that they were scared to do that b/c they would have been more popular than the Hassie pairing & that's not what the writers wanted. I heard that Paul Rauch worked on Loving. That made sense when I heard that because LW was the heroine on that show. Even Frank Grillo didn't like the story or the pairing. It says something if the actors don't like the story lines. I also don't think that the writers did their homework where Cassie & Hart were concerned. Hart slept with Reva's son Dylan's fiance the day before they were supposed to get married. I don't see Reva wanting somebody like that to get involved with her sister. I truly believe that GL was at its best when KZ wasn't on there. EVERYBODY got a story!

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Several reasons I know:

1. They started writing off the Bauers (the core family of the show)
2. Killing off Maureen
3. Firing Michael Zaslow
4. The Reva clone (also the fact that hers, Cassie's, and Harley's story lines ate up airtime.)
5. Fewer housewives these days
6. The handheld camera format
7. Ellen Wheeler

I quit watching on a regular basis after Hart died in '99. After that I would only see the show a few times a year. I watched the entire final week, though.

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I like your list, especially the Reva clone plot. The show had issues but I really lost interest with that storyline. Even by soap standards, I just never gave the show much credit after that.

The same thing happened with me on Days --- When Marlena became possessed by evil spirits.

Soaps can have outlandish plots --- the appearance of unknown twins, the return of dead characters whose bodies were never found, 60 year old women have children. However, there is outlandish and there is science fiction, which I generally don't think have a place on a daytime serial (the exceptions being only "Dark Shadows" and "Passions," which seemed to focus primarily on those types of plots).

When a show like Guiding Light has spent decades mining the friction and rivalry between family members, it really is glaring when the writers trot out clones and other non-sense.

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I would agree with much of this. Strangely, I often think of GL around Thanksgiving and Christmas time. I miss those old holiday episodes. I miss the show in general 😢

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