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why don't people like this movie?


I mean, it is all right to have your own opinion. I'd like to hear what you don't like it, why. Maybe it could open my eyes or expose something I hadn't noticed about the movie before.
Also, if you look on voting info, it seems like most women don't like this movie, especially those under eightteen. Why is that? Do they not like the tenseness or bleakness of it? Is it the unhappy ending? Even now mainstream movies are rarely are this honest.
I'm a girl, and I like this movie a lot. But I usually have different taste than other women.

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Well, you asked for it...


My boyfriend and I saw this for the first time on Turner Classic Movies the other night. Obviously we both liked it enough to see it through to the end. At the famous fade-out, BF groaned. I jumped up and out of the bedroom with disgust (granted, mock disgust)!

He didn't like it too much. I did: the existential arguments isn't as strong as it should be, but good enough to support what remains fresh about the picture: society's protection and encouragement of even sociopathic behavior in icons like Dix (the ex-soldier who glorifies the mythic American male in his art and his own life). Its destructive effect on a genuine, vulnerable love affair refutes this messed-up value system.

Not a bad pic. Still, we don't love this movie as you do. This is because:

1) Dix Steele: the name alone! Drivel from the pen of a 12 year-old who read Freud.

2) Dix's treatment of Mildred the hat-check girl (giving her cab fare after refusing to drive her home). Yes, it foretells the moral death inside Dix that is the key to his character. But it is terribly impolite, even by 2006 standards. After he also fails to show emotion at the news of her murder, I hated him! All the more so, because it was clear that Dix was not her killer (see #3 below). Dix becomes so hard to root for that he dents the power of the ending.

3) Deep inside the bloated praise for this movie, one criticism has more or less continued through the years: Ray's clumsy switch-off between the MacGuffin of Mildred's murder and the relationship of the ledes. It is so abrupt that it almost feels cheap.

4) Bogey's performance. Yes, I know the consensus nowadays is that it's among his best. Rubbish! He is often good, but his lapses are strange: his most violent moments (e.g. when he beats up the UCLA jock) are his most wearied. Don't bring me jive about intended irony; Ray and Gloria Grahame (whose acting is beyond reproach) pitch the scene as if Bogey were the Tasmanian Devil. He just looks and acts like a tired old man, no match for an angry Trojan!

5) The music it's loud and it sucks. I'm not terribly knowledgeable about classical music or its derivatives, but this deep romantic melody was bereft of the Korngold/Steiner style horns common to film-noir. The result is strange, but not skillful enough to work for the movie.

6) Finally: Oooh, that damn LINE!!!! I cannot bring myself to repeat it! Actually, it is brilliant, and that is the problem. The aforementioned faults make this an interesting, sometimes very good, but not-great movie. When Gloria faded out, The End, we felt had because of this line. "CORNY!" said BF. I couldn't exactly argue.

Only long after all of its principals died has the rest of the world become interested enough to see what reallly was "In a Lonely Place." But the the people who made it saw a masterpiece in the making. It ain't, and it's most famous line thuds. The audiences and, apparently, the critics of 1950 had a point, although even I think they were too harsh.

This is a worthwhile movie that reached too hard for greatness...and fell on its face! Its many redeeming qualities, plus our culture's eagerness to give an A-for-effort, have resulted in a cult status that leaves you and other fans with nothing to complain about. This movie has gotten its share of praise.


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Some comments about the review by fussyfreddy. Opinions and emotional reactions can't be refuted so I'm not going to try.
- If the name Dix Steele bothers someone then what about Luke Skywalker?
- And are we confusing personal feelings and how good a movie is?

"After he also fails to show emotion at the news of her murder, I hated him!"
I think the point of the film is that we are not supposed to like Steele that much but does that make it a bad film? Not from my personal POV.

Now for a more objective comment.
- "Ray and Gloria Grahame (whose acting is beyond reproach) pitch the scene as if Bogey were the Tasmanian Devil. He just looks and acts like a tired old man, no match for an angry Trojan!"

Leaving aside that Bogart beat up a UCLA Bruin, it is not unrealistic. We are told that Bogart served as an officer during World War 2. It is probable that he had extensive hand to hand combat training. And so, it is also reasonable that an ex GI with combat training could beat up a college student. I recall the story of the senior citizen, Yankee president, George Steinbrener beating up two young men in an elevator. It does happen.

* I can't say much more because I liked every moment that is criticized. It comes down to personal taste.

imho at least, BB ;-)

it's just in my humble opinion - imho -

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I beg to differ re: Bogey's scrap with the fender-bender student. Totally stretched the imagination. I mean, the guy was a FOOTBALL PLAYER who should have been able to beat down a writer who was knocking down three martinis before lunch. Can't imagine an athlete allowing a 50-ish writer to get out the car in the first place -- just block the door like a tackling dummy -- much less getting clobbered by him. Unreal. Should have been a fellow 50-year-old. (Don't buy WW2 hand-to-hand combat stuff either. At his age, Bogey would have been a Major or Lt Colonel or something way behind the front. Hand-to-hand combat was for the privates and sarges who might have been 25 or so at the time of film's period -- apparently more like the age of the actual character in the novel.

As with virtually all of his flicks over his final 10 years (1946-56), Bogey was hopelessly too old for the romantic lead roles. Bacall, Lizabeth Scott, Gloria Grahame etc were all something like 20-25 years younger than he was. Man, wouldn't it have been something if Bogart and Bette Davis played love interests in a 1950s movie?

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Regarding #2-Do you only like films with characters that you like? I'm always amazed when people rate films based on the likeability of the characters.

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Hi.
I think the point here:
anne-390 on Mon Jan 15 2007 15:05:17
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Regarding #2-Do you only like films with characters that you like? I'm always amazed when people rate films based on the likeability of the characters.

Isn't that the quality of the film, is judged by the likeability of its characters, just that if you don't want the guy to get the girl then there isn't really any emotional impact when he doesn't.

I didn't really have much patience for this film because I'm studying it on my degree programme and it was the last of a LONG term of Nick Ray (I'm not a fan), but obviously I can see its value.

I think people don't like it because the dialogue is corny, sorry but that's undeniable and if you don't know much about film it can appear (for the first two acts at least) to be a typical studio movie of the time so people will switch off from it.

Personally I love the fact that Laurel is so cool and together, but not cold. Different to a lot of the women you see in 50's films and much more complex. For a male director, especially an American of that generation, Ray does present women with respect.

One thing I really disliked about this film and many other Ray films, is the fact that peripheral characters tend to be charicatures or just plain stupid and it grates somewhat. (i.e. Mel, Charlie, Sylvia)

Oh, and the score is intrusive and offputting.

IMHO-naturally :p

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If every single character was an angel or likable characters had no flaws to them, we wouldn't have...

Sideways, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Kate Winslet's character) , Taxi Driver, Notorious, Vertigo, Treasure of the Sierra Madre, All About Eve, Crash (I actually hated this movie, but it does feature some complex blending of characters, so it's staying here), or Magnolia, to start off with.

Come on, are you going to detest The Godfather because Marlon Brando plays a mafia man?? Characters--and people--are not meant to be perfect figures. Everybody has done something wrong once or twice in life--why should filmmakers deny that?

Did he train you? Did he rehearse you? Did he tell you exactly what to do, what to say?!

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This is an internal tragedy ... we want Dixon to be saved by Laurel, but there is just no chance, yet we see how their could have been, it is a warning in a sense to pay attention to what is going on in our own lives I think. Loved it ... Bogart ... and never knew who Gloria Grahame was ... but she was fantastic ... she was the crazy Mom in "Chilly Scenes of Winter" too ... another of my faves.

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This is basically a chick flick ... it deals with emotions and hidden secrets. It was not a fantasy Holly wood movie ... and I think you just do not like this kind of movie. It was slow moving, and lacking action, except Bogey being a jerk. It was cutting edge to show people being jerks like this back then ... and maybe if they did not harp on it so much today people in general would be nicer and more social.

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Yes. I'm very glad I watched it, but this is a brilliant analysis of its weaknesses.

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I absolutely enjoy watching this movie, althought it is dark and depressing.

I sympathize with Bogie's character simply because it seems like he slowly destroys relationships with people he loves and cares about .

He has a serious mental/emotional problem that I feel he is too ashamed to admit that he has; let alone seek professional help for.

Gloria's character I feel was just perfect for him. She was supportive, with the maternal nurturing that he needed, and there was this HUGE sexual compatibility between them. They seemed to be a great match.

That is until Gloria's character realizes that she has to think of her own safety and well-being which ultimately means she was not going to be with Dix whether he was guilty or not.

One of my favorite scene's of course, is the Night Club scene featuring the
lovely and fabulous Hadda Brooks, The Queen of the Boogie Woogie. A very talented musician/singer who graced The Legendary Central Avenue in Los Angeles,
with her talent during "The Ave's" glory days of the 40'2/50's.

"OOO...I'M GON' TELL MAMA!"

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Why don't women like this movie as much as men? It's a rare film noir where the female isn't the baddie. Maybe it's because the film, though hard on Dixon Steele, presents the relationship with Laurel Gray as what's good for him. The tragedy in the film is his, not hers, though she does hurt at their parting. Men identify with Bogart, maybe even to the point of having driven away a woman in their past they wish they had back. Women just see a sister who needs a serious talk with Dr. Phil.

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I actually really like this movie.

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I don't seethat much evidence of people not liking this, pals. However, Bogey sure was n hero in this. He was sympathetic, but he was a man out of control and that's not good. And that sure isn't like Nick Blane or Sam Spade who were heroes...flawed heroes, but heroes all the same.


I killed him for money and for a woman. I didn't get the money... and I didn't get the woman.

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I was thinking all while I watching this movie that we know how widespread domestic abuse was in the US during the 50s and before, and there was no divorce ... US society has really changed a lot. I think this movie hit way too close to home for people. I was thinking how many people must have gone to see this as couples and lived a very similiar moments ... way to close to home at the time. I just would like to know what was said about this movie at the time and how it was regarded.

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Women may rate it lower because Laurel changes from a strong, independent woman to a simpering wimp. I was hoping she'd tell Dix off at some point, but soon I realized that wasn't going to happen.

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before Bogart was in the Maltese falcon he played the bad guy in films The Bogart persona is squelched in the film you're asking about It is a somber performance without his trademark qips and it is unapologetically so he is actually a cad in Maltese Falcon

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because it has an unhappy ending.very unusual fot that time period.
audiences back then liked things neat and tidy and happy.

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