Smoking and Cancer


Everthing I have read about the link between smoking and cancer gives the date as 1950 when it was first mooted. In one of the speeches of Kirk Douglas' character that link is specifically mentionend, pre-dating 1950 by at least one year, possibly more.

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I heard that in Douglas' character speech. I had TiVo'd the movie and ran it back to hear what he said again. Isn't it interesting they were already talking about the connection? Of course, they all still smoked, didn't they?

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Its funny but I watched the movie this morning on AMC and noticed the same thing about Kirk Douglas's speech that he mentioned smoking gives you cancer. Gee I wonder if the tobacco companies lied???

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There were even ads from "Doctors" telling you which cigarettes were "better" than others for you.




Acussed here of being a 12YO or an 8YO, as if either of those were bad things!


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John Harvey Kellogg, a medical pseudo-scientist and brother of the founder of Kellogg Company, postulated a link between smoking and lung cancer in the 1930s. So the possibility of link was known, though it was not accepted science.

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As kids in the fifties we called them "cancer sticks", a phase my mother's generation used in the 1930s. My grandmother, with only an 6th grade education, knew they caused cancer. It was actually common knowledge before the fifties. German scientists linked lung cancer and cigarettes in the 1930s but it was known prior to that. Before that the bigger health threats came from spoiled food. Lung cancer was lower on the list. Once the health risk from food spoilage became more controlled due to better food preservation then the attention turned to lung cancer which was on the rise world wide. The Nazi's were the first to ban smoking in public buildings and on public transportation. Hitler was a vehement anti (and ex) smoker. No one was allowed to smoke in his presence. It was known back then. The common people really didn't believe the down playing by the tobacco companies. Some Doctors were paid by big tobacco to help sell the product the same as they are paid by the big pharmaceuticals companies to push pills today.

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Anybody noticing a parallel with today's global warming debate?
We can't be sure. Some scientists disagree. More study is needed.
Just like the debate over smoking and cancer.

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Wow, this is really interesting. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I remember asking my dad once when people found out cigarettes were bad for you and he just said: "people always knew" (or something like that). As an ex-smoker himself he always made a point growing up how bad it is for you. Sometimes it is challenging to watch old movies and not take the incessant smoking for what it is. I guess the argument that they didn't know any better back then doesn't really hold up.

I'm curious, when exactly does Kirk Douglas' character make that statement. Is it when he brings home the bag of bourbon, cigarettes, etc. for the party? Could someone write the exact words? I'm just really surprised that I missed that.

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One might also point out that doctors certainly knew that Pres. Grant's throat cancer was due to his incessant cigar smoking.

So was Coolidge's apparent throat cancer but by 1933 the tobacco-cancer link was being covered up. Coolidge not only smoked cigars everywhere but in public, in private he was a veritable pusher, foisting them on every man who would accept one. In his last years his chronic sore throat and hoarseness were obvious--in fact he couldn't speak to give an address at the convention for the 1932 election. He self-medicated constantly with home remedies to relieve it. But you would be hard pressed to find any reference that calls a spade a spade, preferring to only mention his final heart attack.

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100 years ago, anyone who smoked cigars or pipe tobacco came up with a coughing condition, or mouth sores or cancer. And cigarettes were in vogue and same problems.

So everyone knew that smoking was bad for you. And yes, they did it anyway.
i like TCM and the old black and white movies. And it is SHOCKING how many people smoked incessantly in the movie.

I have heard tho that actors did not smoke like that in real life. Bad breath, yellow teeth, coughing, wrinkles. Actors knew better. The smoking helped sell cigs and the tobacco companies were probably paying for "product placement" just like today!

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Old Bette Davis movie (Dark Victory?) it's mentioned that she smokes too much and it's adding to her health problems.
Yeah, they knew.

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I'm not sure if he was the first, but Alton Ochsner published a report linking smoking to lung cancer in 1939 - http://www.ochsner.org/programs/legacy_article_jan_18/

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As far back as the 1880s people used to refer to cigarettes as "coffin nails".


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Commercial spots circa 1950

'8 out of 10 doctors prefer Camel' (a brand of cigarette), and
'More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette'.

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My dad was a Chesterfield man until he started smoking cigarettes with filters. I remember those dark red packs. Can't remember what he smoked when he switched to filters.
My uncle would lick the tip of his cigarette so it stuck to his upper lip. It would bob up and down as he spoke. He never removed it while speaking.
My father died at 58 years old of bronchitis. The autopsy showed how dark his lungs were from years of smoking.

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All of these details are interesting, but totslly miss the point.

Kirk Douglas' character was listing the ILLUSORY WORRIES induced in the listener by radio advertising to motivste them to purchase a product. By including "smoking csusses cancer,:" he was implicitly stating that it was one more con - nothing to really worry about, but something thst advertisers WANT you to worry about. The statement has to be considered within the context of the monologue.

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Despite the promotions by doctors, people have long known of the ill effects of smoking, far back into the 19th century, but knowing something is bad for you never stopped people from doing it. People are not very bright.





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I have a small pamphlet that was handed out to sailors by the U.S. Navy in 1943. I found it in a box of my dad's old Navy stuff. It's titled "Nicotine Knockout", and it was written by Lt. Commander Gene Tunney, the former heavyweight boxing champion, who was in charge of Navy physical training during WWII. It consists of five pages of fine print detailing all the ways that smoking compromises your health and ultimately kills you with cancer. They knew all about it back then.

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