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Big sleep v Maltese Falcon


Which of these two films do you prefer or think is the best.
I think MF has better character portrayels(Bogarts best perfomance}.
Ultimatly though I think BS is more gripping and entertaining.



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Well, I must admit I've never watched MF because (I'll explain later)...

I'd go with TBS. While isn't on the same level as the novel (I am the fan of novel), it still pretty satisfies. For the Maltese Falcone, I had read the novel and disliked it, so I didn't bother watching the movie. However, for the Bogart, it may happen someday.

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The Big Sleep is my favorite and, yes, I think it is better. I also prefer Bogart's character and overall performance in TBS - not by much though.



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In my opinion Maltese Falcon was much better. One of the best movies i've seen even.

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Great question I was going to post, but you beat me to it. Here's how I break it down:

The Big Sleep is inferior to The Maltese Falcon. As you've already mentioned, The Maltese Falcon's assortment of characters is rich and varied, in short, the movie's most essential ingredient in its claim to greatness. Maybe The Big Sleep's mood is stronger. Maybe its plot is more exciting for some viewers. But all those traits become superficial once you realize how utterly one-dimensional its characters are. They're only cogs for pushing the plot's mechanism forward.

For example:

One might claim that Bogart's characters in each film are ostensibly the same, but I believe a further examination proves this incorrect: The Big Sleep's Philip Marlowe is tough, smart, the ladies like him and he falls in love with Lauren Bacall. Now compare that sketch to The Maltese Falcon's Sam Spade: He is tough, smart, the ladies like him and he falls in love with Mary Astor, AND THEN TURNS HER OVER TO THE POLICE! Not only this, but throughout the movie we see reoccurring expressions of this cruel streak with his belittling treatment of Peter Lorre, his ex-partner's wife and the young gunman (Elisha Cook Jr.). The man enjoys bullying people who are weaker than him.

The Big Sleep: 8
The Maltese Falcon: 10

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The difference is Spade's monologue in the end.

He has to turn her over, because she's a thief, a seductress, a liar, and most of all she killed his partner.
As he said it didn't matter what you thought of him, he was your partner and you had to do something about his murder.

There was no grey in the Maltese Falcon, in some ways they all are guilty of something. Spade mostly in solving the case but probably pushing the bounds of legality in order to solve it.

Marlowe's world is the same but there's more grey. He wanted to protect the General as best as he could. But fell in love with Vivian. He knew there was a mystery, within the mystery. His hunch was everyone kept hiding what happened to Regan.
Too many people were trying to get him to drop it. But his hunch, and his intuition wouldn't let it go.

Both books are excellent. But Chandler's prose is like looking at a Rembrandt. Even in the darkness, and shadows add to the story.

Honestly if you read The Big Sleep. It's perfect for modern audiences. Murder, Geiger and Carol are a gay couple, Geiger runs a high class pornographic book service. Carmen was photographed naked in front of Geiger's body.
Carmen was in Marlowe's bed nude trying to seduce him. Carmen seems very much like the rich weird celebrity families these days.

Marlowe is the weary, tough, detective that's seen too much, and knows the evil that men and women do.

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Of course, I'm not concerned with judging the movies by the books. Art should stand alone.

Spade doesn't have to turn her over. He chooses to turn her over because it provides him with the most beneficial outcome. Simply put, he weighs the odds and decides that solving the crime means more to him than the woman he loves. Outwardly, it looks like justice, but, from Spade's subjective perspective, it's a matter of cruelly reasoned apathy. This inward conflict provides Spade's character with the kind of compelling depth that Marlowe lacks.

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Maltese Falcon is still better even after hashing it over for a while.

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Personally, I liked BS best....Primarily because of the sizzling chemistry between Bogie and Bacall. It was more fun too !!

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At least I can understand whats going on in the Maltese Falcon

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Ultimately, it's the Falcon, for me, but The Big Sleep is stellar.

The Maltese Falcon has a crisper storyline which relies on character to drive it forward. The Big Sleep gets a bit too twisty for its own good at times.

The dialogue is sharp as tacks in both, of course, and both storylines are great.

One nagging thing, though, is that Bacall can't be beat for femme fatale - especially not opposite Bogey. It is a really close call...

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