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Possibilty that he wasn't the real Charlie?


I revisited "Shadow of a Doubt" today for the first time in a few years and I've always wondered something; I know this is a long shot, but could it be possible that this man wasn't the real Uncle Charlie?

1. The mother kept saying how wonderful he was and everybody seemed to love him. I know they mentioned that he wasn't the same after hitting his head, but if he really was this crazy don't you think somebody would have noticed over the years?

2. The sexual tension between him and Charlotte was very strange, but it wouldn't be strange if he wasn't related to her.

3. It seemed like every time his sister would ask him something about their childhood, he had to think about it for a moment.

4. Another thing I noticed was when he first got off the train, Joseph said something along the lines of. "He looks a little different, doesn't he?"

Like I said, it's a long shot but I thought that was the direction Hitchcock was going the first time I saw it and it still feels that way after revisiting it. Either way, amazing film. Anyone have any thoughts?

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That's an interesting idea. There was a picture of him when he was a boy that
looked like him. I would think his sister would know him. You might be right,
though. Next time I watch it I'll check your ideas out.


Marge

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I think you're reading way too far into it.

1. If there was any sinister significance of his childhood head injury, I'm sure that it was that it "tripped" something in his brain to make a latent darker aspect of his personality emerge; his sister Emma mentioned that before the accident, he read a lot, but after it, he stopped reading and became full of physical energy. I doubt Hitchcock was suggesting that somehow the family was given a different boy.

2. I think that tension is *supposed* to be off-kilter and unsettling.

3. I can't recall any instances of this, I'll have to rewatch. Maybe, if she talking about memories before his accident, it is just highlighting how his "original, good" self is lost to him.

4. Well, Uncle Charlie started murdering widows since they last saw him. Corruption shows.

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Actually I was sure he wasn't the real Charlie, and expected that to be revealed at some point, but it didn't happen.

He was using different names in the beginning and when he sent the telegram to Santa Rosa, "Uncle Charlie" felt like just another fake name. Then his relatives thought he was now different when they picked him up. Young Charlie's first phase is "Are you?". Little Ann says "I remember you sort of, but you look different". He doesn't remember Young Charlie's beautiful dress, which "he" had bought actually. There were lots of similar suggestions in that direction definitely, not to mention his constantly avoiding to talk about the past, not remembering the childhood picture, etc, but maybe the director just wanted to trick us.

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I noticed the thing with the dress to and wondered if that might not imply that Charlie was an imposter. I think it was pretty clear by the end of the movie that wasn't the case though. I think those scenes were meant to illustrate how detached he was. He didn't really care or think about the gifts he gave, he just enjoyed the thrill of spending the money of the widows he murdered and implicating his family by secretly making them beneficiaries of his crimes.

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the other one who was killed by the police might be the real one. He could be innocent. This fellow might use his identity to come here and waited for his assassination. So that he did not show even simple affection to the family while he was threatened.

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I watched it years ago and thought they would reveal he was an imposter but it never happened.
now I watched it again today and nothing in the movie makes me think he is an imposter. weird. it's as if the movie changed somehow.

anyway, I don't think there was anything he could have found out about the family altho I always wondered if he knew the "real" Charles and got info from him.
That would have made a much better movie.

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so, the whole family woudln't recognize their own relative? they were obviously close knit, because she and the uncle had the "connection" and they had talked of him visiting before.

blah.

Swing away, Merrill....Merrill, swing away...

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Exactly. Everyone is reading much too much into this. I agree with the "detachment" comment, that nothing he does nor any gift he gives means much to him. He has no genuine emotions or attachments, only survival instincts. And this was set in motion by his head injury as a child. In fact the picture we see of him is clearly Joseph Cotten.

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Yeah, bah!

I think the sister was is massive, bone-deep denial about her dear little brother and what he'd become as an adult, but even she wouldn't mistake another person for him!

As for little hints that he was an impostor, well, Hitchcock loved misdirection and little jokes on the audience.

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1. Family members say these things even about terrible family members to keep up appearances.

2. There was no sexual tension. They were near each other because of the camera and close-ups are more dramatic.

3. It's because he's a changed person. He's evil now. He doesn't think much about how he use to be.

4. It's because he's evil now. Evil people have a different attitude and facial expression.

Unlikely, because it would have been revealed and would have be a better story line than the one in this film.

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I agree. I think AH suggested this in the scene where Charlie claimed never to have had a photo taken, which his sister and niece then rebut.

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Interesting thread, but I think the sister would have surely known if he was an imposter. Also, in the dinner scene where Uncle Charlie is opening the wine bottle, they do laugh about some childhood memories while the husband looks on with a sort of bored expression. The sister says something like "Remember when the jones girl got married".

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The 1991 Mark Harmon made-for-tv remake did have him turn out to be an imposter. It robbed the story of a good bit of its effectiveness, but I suspect that the writers were trying to hint at the incest subtext a bit more openly (Cf. the scene where Charles kisses Young Charlie good night in her bedroom: on the lips, and just a bit too lingeringly); but because of television censorship, they couldn't have it turn out to be actual incest. So 'Uncle' Charlie turns out to be no relation to the rest of the family at all; just a clever (and apparently very well-informed) impersonator.

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