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Joan Fontaine as a 14 year old?


Maybe it's just me, but when watching Joan flit about,
I kept chuckling thinking of Diana Lynn telling Ginger Rogers in
"The Major and the Minor" to "cut out the phony kid act, nobody acts
like that". It didn't help that later Fontaine had on pretty much the same schoolgirl outfit Rogers wore in her film.
Fontaine's fragile flower cinema persona is perfect for the role
however, so I can see why she was cast, but it was hard to get past that she looked like a mature woman acting like a kid. Others here and Leonard Maltin
praised her realistic portrayal, so perhaps I'm alone, or does anyone else agree?

And how cool is Charles Coburn in this!?

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I actually thought she resembled a teen at the beginning of the film. If I hadn't known who she was, I would have thought she was still in high school. However, the closeups of her pretty face made her age much more difficult to conceal. Still, she did an outstanding job and deserved her Oscar nomination.

No blah, blah, blah!

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No comparison to the Major and the Minor. Rogers unquestionably was not convincing as a younger woman. However Fontaine was brilliant.

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Well, Ginger's *character* was pretending to be a child, so I think some of that artifice was deliberate...also because it was a comedy. And having Diana Lynn's character acknowledge the phoney kid act, was just great. :)

I think Joan Fontaine did only alright - so many of her characters in other movies are meant to be "innocent", so I guess that was her forte as an actress. I'll be honest with you - she's not exactly my favorite actress because I'm not a fan of the "fragile flower" type "flitting about", as Majuro put it. :)

I do find her performance in The Constant Nymph overrated, considering all the rapturous reviews I've read. In certain moments she had a youthful awkwardness, posture and that sort of thing. Other times I thought she was trying too hard, even for a child who's hyperactive. I also found myself distracted by her voice sounding too mature, especially in scenes with Joyce Reynolds who played her sister. I don't know if Joan could've changed the pitch, or just altered her inflections in some way, but I felt that her voice wasn't childlike enough. Maybe I was thrown by the accent sounding too sophisticated? :P

Overall, I would have to disagree with Leonard Maltin, etc. I can't say it was an amazingly realistic portrayal, because I never truly bought into the illusion and forgot she was an adult playing a child. At times an okay performance/impression of a 14 year old, but I was always "studying" her instead of just believing.

ETA:
Just read Neil Doyle's review, in the IMDb user comments section... pretty much sums up my reaction to the film.

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Exactly Crispy, Ginger Rogers was trying to pull a fast one because she couldn't afford the adult train fare. Several people along the way questioned her and didn't buy that she was a child....that was the point of the film.

It wasn't like everyone thought she was a 12yr old girl, in fact the conductors on the train were about to "bust her".

At times Fontaine looks somewhat believable but most of the time she looks like an adult pretending to be a young girl.

The film is on TCM now and I'm not familar with it, before I looked it up my first thought was "what age is Joan pretending to be".

It just doesn't quite work.

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I could not disagree more. Fontaine's work in the early sections is extraordinary--she has the spirit, temperament, coltish awkwardness and physical persona of an ingenue of the period. It's only as she ages slightly in the piece and has to tone down the impulsiveness and body language that we see her "acting" the role, which is ultimately inevitable. It doesn't help that Boyer is so much older and that gap oddly seems to widen as the film goes on; once he starts to react to her obvious love and adoration (and much of the burden of that actually falls on the Alexis Smith character), it becomes unconvincing and discomforting for a modern audience. Don't forget, very young girls of the period often married significantly older men with no stigma or unwholesome aspect attached to it. These May-December romances were common in life and a staple at the movies. Let us not forget that birth control was not widespread and many, many women died in childbirth. Women often died relatively young, and men remarried women who would still be able to bear enough children to carry on the family name.

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I watched this movie a couple of weeks ago on TCM and I was quite excited to finally see this movie. However, when I finally watched it, I was a little disapointed, but nevertheless, it was a good movie. Definitely, the kind the studios don't produce anymore. Even though I liked the leads, I have to agree with one poster that I think either Cary Grant or Douglas Fairbanks Jr. would have been better for the lead of Lewis Dodd. Even Tyrone Power or Joseph Cotten would have been good as well. I like Joan Fontaine, and in the first half of the film, she's very convincing as a 14 year old teenager with her body language and costumes, but in the second half she just looks like an adult playing a child and her voice is way too mature. The ending was sad, but I honestly think that she was miscast. I think that Linda Darnell (who was 19 during the filming of this movie), Susan Peters (a former Warner Brothers contract player who was now at MGM and was nominated for a supporting role for Random Harvest and in the beginning of that film she plays a teenager and quite convincingly, she was about 19-20) and Anne Baxter (who was about 18), check out this clip :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN9sEB9msB0

Anne was doing a screen test for Rebecca as the 2nd Mrs. DeWinter and she was only 16 at the time!! Imo, I think all three of the aforementioned ladies would have been great. Another young actress who would have been perfect for the role was Gail Russell. She starred in two John Wayne films in the late forties and in a hilarious comedy in 1944 titled "Our Hearts Were Young and Gay". She seemed to have the right amount of fragilty and vulerniblty for the role of young Tessa. Plus, she had this haunting beauty which would have been perfect. In the end, Jack Warner was looking for stars for the leading roles and Fontaine and Boyer were huge stars at the time.

Alexis Smith, in her first major role for WB was incredible!!

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After reading others comments on here, I realize that ya'll were watching this movie knowing Fontaine's age ahead of time. I did not know her age the first time I watched it, so I wasn't critiqueing the acting based on that. It wasn't until the third time I saw it that I knew she was actually older than the part.

Also- her dresses were purposely made large and ill fit. That helped me to believe her to be younger- like a child trying on her big sister's outfits. The school blazer scenes were the only ones that threw me off and felt like she was an adult playing a part. Even the scenes where she was in the gown to wear to his performance, notice she keeps it unzipped so it looks loose on her, making her appear as a child.

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Just finished watching it. Fontaine was totally believable as the adolescent Tessa. I think it's her best performance of all her films. Loved it.

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I fell in love with Joan! at that time - I was 16 in 1951 when first I saw The Constant Nymph. Have never seen it again. A pity they have removed it from youtube. Here in Lima, Peru, TCM has a different program to that of USA.

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Well, when this film started, I didn't even recognize Fontaine. Since I didn't know when it was filmed, I guessed, as I usually do. Normally I'm right. I dated this movie as being before Rebecca! So yes, I believed her totally. Her Oscar nomination was well deserved.

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Regarding Boyer, I thought he was excellent - he gave the film the foreign feel that it needed, and he was very romantic as well. I think he teamed with Fontaine very well.

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Joan Fontaine's performance in this film is superlative. She is absolutely 100% convincing as a 14 year old girl and her acting rings true at every moment. She deserved her oscar nomination. There were relatively few actresses then, and absolutely none now, who can portray this kind of innocence. This is a highly romantic film and she is ethereal and is portraying a muse who inspires the creativity of Charles Boyer's character. This is a type of story taken from the depths of mythology. I think modern audiences, or at least very few, understand this kind of spirituality. Also, who would want a real teenager playing a role like this. They wouldn't have the understanding to achieve the depth of feeling and characterization that Joan Fontaine achieves. It's like having children portray Romeo and Juliet. It actually would not ring true emotionally despite the accurate casting by age. I think people go into this film knowing the true age of Joan Fontaine the actress and that prejudices them. I think Fontaine is peerless when it comes to portraying this type of woman as can be seen by her outstanding performances in Rebecca, Suspicion, this film and Letter From an Unknown Woman. She has given us some glorious and stupendous characterizations that are forever in our conscioussness through the eternal art form that is film. This is a film about the passion of the soul, a delicate subject matter handled with care, love, grace and immense skill. Much of the credit the honesty of this film should go the great director Edmund Goulding.

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She did an amazing job, and even though she received critical acclaim for her work, I still feel she is an underrated actress. This film and Letter from an Unknown Woman, as well as Rebecca and Suspicion, are proof of that. Also, she matured in later years into a sophisticate and played quite different roles where she could be mean and manipulative. A wide range.

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i thought the same thing. Fontaine's pixie movements early in the movie seem a put-on and overdone, as if the audience should be force-fed the idea of her nymphic youth. it's this point that detracts from the overall quality of the picture. fortunately, those scenes are early and by the time the denouement comes they don't matter as much as when first seen.

all in all Nymph is a very good movie.

Coburn is always enjoyable. as a character actor he had great range and adds a quality touch to all the fliks he's in. here, he performs the role of a steady rock-solid relative.

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The only actress that could expertly pull off playing a child is Jennifer Jones. She should have played the part in this film

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Don't agree. That's what ruined The Portrait of Jennie for me.

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Yes, I agree. Jones was always over-rated. 5 Oscar nominations! she indeed was married to the boss.

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If you think this is bad, watch Letter from an Unknown Woman. She is 30 and plays a 12 year old. Her friend in the movie is 18, playing 12, and even she looks ridiculous. I can suspend disbelief just so far.

I guess it's like looking at clouds. You see one thing and I see another. Peace.

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I adore Joan Fontaine, so I am not knocking her. I still agree with those who said she was more convincing in the first half of the film. By the later part of the film I could see the "real" Joan Fontaine and it made me come here and look up her age. She was 26! I think it's even funnier that her "older" cousin Florence is played by Alexis Smith who was 22!

Then again, if one tries to suspend disbelief one gets a wonderful film about a deep spiritual and emotional connection that cannot be openly expressed.

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I agree 100% with your post, Clemencedane (how funny is it that her 'older' cousin is younger, lol). But I agree that she does a fantastic job of acting like an adolescent, throughout much of the film.

BTW, are you watching the film right now on TCM?!?

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Yep, I'm watching Alexis Smith's breakdown right now! (And remembering when she later played Howard Keel's crazy sister on Dallas.)

Since the film couldn't really allow a "child" to be involved with a man, I am predicting that Joan Fontaine will turn out to have a terminal illness so the filmmakers can conveniently get rid of her while preserving their eternal yet chaste love.

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Actually, I thought she pulled it off quite well - and Coburn as usual is just super. I would have enjoyed just talking with him.

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