MovieChat Forums > His Girl Friday (1940) Discussion > Almost unwatchable (in one go at least)

Almost unwatchable (in one go at least)


I read somewhere - i think it was Empire's Movie Guide - that most films that an average of 85/90 wpm (words per minute), and that this film has 240! For an hour a half we're subjected to this machine-gun style of delivery. Why, in the name of all that is holy, is this nessecary?

I don't care if the story and the characters were good (which they were, or they at least had the potential to be), the sheer pace of the dialogue meant I had to watch this film in 10 minute doses - it was wearing me out! It was a serious detriment to the film, I thought - they could have had them talk like that in a few scenes where everyone was panicking, but for the rest of the film why couldn't they talk like normal human beings?

I can see why the film (or the original play) was remade so many times - lots of pople must have thought "there's a good story here, let's try and make a version of it where our actors won't collapse from exaustion!"

I only saw this film because I'm working my way through the Top 250 - now that I've seen it, I don't think it belongs in there, so on the one hand I hope it drops out to make way for a more deserving film (like Arsenic and Old Lace - a far superior screwball comedy) but on the one hand I kind of want it to stay in there so I won't have seen it for nothing!

reply

I agree. I wanted to like it, but more than most of it went straight over my head. I wondered whether this was a technique of the time that 'encouraged' audiences to go and see the film more than once. There seemed to be some funny jokes in there, but not enough time was given to process them, or even make them out amid all the other dialogue.

How do you like them apples?

reply

Howard Hawks made his dialogue fast because it made it more interesting; he once said that he sped it up "about 20%" and put some overlapping dialogue in front and some in back so that everything in the middle was the important stuff. The importance of the fast-talking nature of the film is that it made it more interesting and because the whole point is that the life of a newspaperman/woman IS very cut-throat and speedy. This was also the first to have its characters talk so quickly and use overlapping dialouge, and it was definitely an influence on Robert Altman, Quentin Tarantino and many others.

I'm surprised that you think that Arsenic and Old Lace was superior to this (to each his own--I thought it was trite and Cary Grant overdid his role it was almost embarrassing to watch). Watch this film again and hopefully you'll see what everyone loves about it.

I was born when she kissed me
I died when she left me
I lived a few weeks while she loved me

reply

> the sheer pace of the dialogue meant I had to watch this film
> in 10 minute doses - it was wearing me out!

I think that you may have done yourself a disservice by breaking the movie up.

First of all, the dialog has a rhythm to it, a pretty consistent rhythm, and the viewer does tend to get into rhythm with the movie after a little bit. By breaking it up, you were keeping yourself constantly in the "trying to get acclimated" phase.

Secondly, you *might* have created issues for yourself in terms of the gaps in watching making it harder for you remember exactly who was who (by name when referred to). Once they get going, you really want to be able to just know (without having to think at all) who is being referenced. If the gaps in watching create even a split second of your mind going "Let's see, that was ....", then you're going to fall behind the dialog.

Edit to add:
Now, if English is not your native language or if you're hard of hearing, then I can easily understand where you're coming from. That was a bit like my reaction to 8 1/2. A ton of overlapping dialog and a lot of it delivered very quickly; keeping up with the subtitles started to feel like work after a while, and by the end of the movie I was really tired. It's a shame, 8 1/2 looked like a movie that I probably would have loved if I were fluant in Italian (or if it had been made in English). As it is, though, it wasn't all that much *fun* for me to watch (in large part because there were long stretches of it that I felt like I never got "watch" at all, just continuously focus on reading the subtitles).


> for the rest of the film why couldn't they talk like normal human beings?

Two things with regard your apparent opinion that the pacing is unrealistic:

First, there are some people who routinely talk "a mile a minute", and some of those are people who picked up that habit as way of bulldozing other people and getting their own way. That's Walter Burns, at least as portrayed in this version, and we see the effect of him using that technique to bulldoze through people who don't know him very well a couple times in the movie. That's why the people who do know him well (such as those who have worked with him for years and his [now ex-] wife) have learned that if they don't want to get run over by him constantly then they have to learn to go at that pace and be just as willing to interupt him as he is to interupt them.

Secondly, when there are several conversations (due to different people doing different things) in close proximity to each other, the total net effect when taken together *is* that kind hundreds of words per minute flying by. It's just that when you're one of the people doing it you tend to just listen to the one piece of conversation that you're directly in and mentally filter out the background noise of the other 3 conversations going on around you. Newsrooms are a prime location for that kind of interaction where multiple conversations are going on at once.


> lots of pople must have thought "there's a good story here,
> let's try and make a version of it where our actors won't
> collapse from exaustion!"

I've seen 3 of the 4 movie versions that I'm aware of off the top of my head (not having seen the first one, which predated His Girl Friday). This is clearly the best of them in my mind.

With the Lemon-Mathau version, it's a little difficult to separate the impacts of the pacing and the gender switch of the Hildy character. I love Lemon and Mathau, both separately and as a team, but in this particular case they get trumped by Grant - Russell. I will say that Carol Burnett gives the best of Earl-Williams-girlfriend portrayals. With her ability to perform at a frantically frenetic pace, she would have fit into HGF admirably.

The Burt Reynolds / Kathleen Turner version (which updates newpapers into cable TV news channels) isn't horrible, but really does not come close to standing up to HGF (and, in my view, is also a notch below Lemon/Mathau). Even though the "lovable rogue" side of the Walter Burns character is pretty much in the "sweet spot" of Reynolds' particular talents, he just isn't Grant. And as good as Turner has been in some things, the more frentic newsroom pacing does not seem to be playing to her strengths. Christopher Reeve makes a very good overwhelmed fiance (playing closer to Clark Kent than to Superman), but Bellamy also stands up very well in that role.

reply

Ugh, I agree. I also pretty much ony watched it because it was on the top 250 and I completely hated the film. I basically just zoned out 15 minutes into the movie and only finished it just to finish it. "Unwatchable" is a good way to put it.

reply

I disagree completely. The fast pace is one of the things that make it so great. The exchanges is much more realistic than going 85/90 wpm. Do you even realize how slow that is.

You definitely should have watched it all the way through to get how great this film is. It is one of my top 10 movies of all time. Only being at 246 is a joke.

"Life is hard. After all, it kills you."-Katharine Hepburn

reply

Exactly. There seem to be a number of people making this same point - or else a couple of trolls with an agenda and different pseudonyms.

reply

how is the way people talk in this movie realistic?!

reply

I love sharp, witty dialog with snappy delivery. I certainly prefer it to the plethora of CGI and special effects explosions that seem to be de regieur in films today. However, English IS my native language, and I grew up on movies like this, which makes them easier to follow. Two of my favorites are Barbara Stanwyck's "Meet John Doe" and "Christmas in Connecticut", which also feature quick repartee and a publishing environment. When it comes to high-speed delivery, Miss Stanwyck gave Roz Russell a run for her money.

As others mentioned, viewing this movie in small segments is a great mistake. Following this type of dialog is like watching Shakespeare - just go with the flow. Your ears and brain will absorb the rhythm and pacing of it far sooner than you would suspect. Besides, not all the words are MEANT to be understood. Part of their purpose is to be a staccato sound effect - like gunshots or the pounding of typewriters by eager reporters, which lends urgency to the scenes. After all, these are "pre-computer" reporters, whose job was to "scoop" other reporters by being smarter and faster at everything.

Another advantage is I read a lot, and avoid "texting" or "txt spk" like the plague. I believe it has shortened the attention spans and language skills of a whole generation of humans, leaving them less able to appreciating the breadth of their native languages. End of rant on THAT subject. :-) LOL



reply

There are actually a lot of different verbal patterns in this movie, and the bulk of the rapid-fire patter comes mainly from Grant and Russell: the chorus of newsmen in the press room speak at varying speeds, but most often at a low, continuous rumble; Louie's patter is at a very different pace than Grant's, and it's funny to hear them adjust to each other. Poor Ralph Bellamy is slow-paced and careful; mama is brittle and staccatto. Earl is also significantly slower, and Russell grinds down to and equivalent of the newsman chorus mumble when interviewing him. She also slows her pace when alone with Bellamy (and it's interesting to hear her adjust to mama: almost as quick as with Grant, but much, much less assertive!). Mollie is strident or piteous, and higher-toned than any of the few females in the tale. The pace is very quick, too, with the corrupt sherrif and mayor when trying to reel in the magnificently written and acted Pettibone (Billy Gilbert, what a treasure), but the rhythm between the three players is very different than it is between Grant and Russell. So there's lots to listen to, and ways of giving your ear variation.

reply

I certainly can't rip on a fellow Arsenic and Old Lace aficionado (especially as I find myself in a minority on how much I love that particular Grant vehicle), but I disagree that the pace detracts from His Girl Friday. The pace is what makes it so brilliant and gives it such great re-watchability. Kudos to you for not giving up on it entirely, but I think giving it another go in a single setting might just be a pleasant surprise for you.

reply

[deleted]