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The bugle call during the chase scene


Anyone notice that the bugle in the chase scene changes keys, otherwise known as modulation? When Mrs. Mallory first hears the bugle sounding in the distance, the sequence is playing in the key of B-flat.

Suddenly it shifts a full tone upward to the key of C. Then during the shots of the calvary charging it switches back and forth between the keys B-flat and C.

The point is, it shouldn't change keys. I'm not bashing the film, I love it way too much. But the modulation is quite noticeable.

First up, a bugle typically cannot be tuned...it has no valves or adjustable tubing as with trumpets or cornets. The notes are limited to arpeggio sequences, otherwise known as a harmonic series. I did a little research, and there were examples of bugles that did have valves and tuning segments back then, which I believe evolved into the modern cornet - and incidentally is in the key of B-flat. But the bugler is shown in the charge, and he appeared to be playing the standard bugle of the time with no valves.

Pitch bending can be accomplished using a player's "embouchure", which is the manipulation of the muscles of the cheeks, jaws and lips to affect the tone/pitch of a woodwind or brass instrument. The embouchure, as with musculature in general, must be developed over time with practice. For example, a trumpet player can effectively play a slurred scale pretty much by adjusting the tension of the embouchure, without using the valves. I can do this myself with a clarinet or saxophone...I can slur from one note to its octave without putting my fingers on the keys.

But it takes practice and finesse! And it's *not* the type of thing one does when riding at a full gallop.

The bugle can be heard clearly changing keys during the charge, from B-flat to C. This can be done, but to tighten one's embouchure to yield a higher pitch - and then maintaining that exact tension to maintain the exact pitch at a constant level - is extremely difficult...especially at a full gallop. I'm not saying it can't be done, but bouncing around on horseback....? That would be *really* tough.

Another thing about the charge played in the film is the sequence of notes played. It's not the standard bugle call for CHARGE, which you can hear at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vna4AAC1bdE

The bugle sequence played during the charge had the same intro, but it wasn't played through. It could be simply an abbreviation of the CHARGE call...although I don't know if that was done in reality.

The bugle sequences in the film heard at approximately 1hour 16min are:

Series of quick staccato notes on the root (B-flat), ending on a single F that is held
Then it modulates:
Series of quick staccato notes on the root (C), ending on a single G that is held

I did consider the Doppler effect, but in the film the bugle starts at a lower pitch and modulates upward as the calvary approaches, so that's out.

It could simply be that there were two buglers! Anyone see a 2nd bugler? (I didn't think this was done)

Sorry for the length of this one...just something I noticed.... :)

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Possibly Ford was after a specific sound to HIS (smile) bugle calls which fit into what he wanted out of a scene/emotion. So he got that sound from using two buglers, or a valved bugle/trumpet, even though we apparently only see one non-valved bugler.

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Yeah, I see a lot of non-valved brass instruments playing chromatic sequences in movies...despite it being impossible! Especially scenes with royalty where guys are playing long, straight horns to announce some kind of an entrance to the court.

But Ford didn't do anything incorrect musically, even though it modulated...both parts were still correct in that the notes used were part of the arpeggio.

Could be that there were a couple of different sound clips of the bugle recorded at different times, and the two were (for whatever reason) one tone apart. During the editing phase both were used and Ford didn't see it as much to be concerned about, or maybe he didn't even notice.

Or maybe he *did* notice and he used it deliberately to add a little variation.

He was after all, *halfway* decent at making movies.... 😀

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With Ford (depicting Monument Valley as being in Texas in The Searchers) or any number of other filmmakers they wouldn't necessarily strictly adhere to realism in music or other aspects of stuff in their films. They were telling stories and why let silly "authenticity" get in the way! I know exactly what you're referring to in scenes of royalty being announced in court by long straight horns and sounding like modern valved instruments. Those are some of my favorite scenes in those movies they are so thrilling and majestic but I realize the sound was probably never quite like it in reality. I also wonder how often actual cavalry/military buglers bungled the sound under the stress of combat and physically riding/running while doing it. In the movies they never miss a note...


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It may be that they added a different bugle in post.

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