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the remake is obviously 'better'...


Come on people! While I enjoyed the 1932 original, I do not see how anyone can possibly judge it as a better film than the remake. The 1983 version is much more absorbing; there is much more development and depth to the characters; the physical violence doesn't look ridiculously fake (those 1932 punches and slaps...LOL); the acting is much more professional (Muni was good but some of the other performances were pretty awful by modern standards)

The original may have been ground-breaking for its time, but it is clearly inferior by today's standards. However, it is fascinating to watch as a period piece.

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Thanks for your opinion, nankuk. It's completely useless. Get your head out of your a s s.

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The Pacino version is not a remake, is a different movie. And yes, it is better, but a great deal of it being better is because of Pacino. I don´t know if I´d like that movie that much if another actor had played Tony Montana.

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The original was made AT THE TIME these events were taking place in Chicago, and Ben Hecht, who lived through them and wrote about them, had some BIG BALLS. The original is still THE BEST gangster film ever made. The bombastic, over-the-top, gratuitous remake is one of the greatest abominations in the history of cinema. I have been a working film historian for 35 years, and I've seen them all. Pacino is a CARTOON, as he is in so many of his films. HAM personified.

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Aw, c'mon... you can't really talk about ham and then turn around and look at Paul Muni.

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I like both films.

About 20 years ago, my Dad and I watched both films, a week apart. To my surprise, we both enjoyed the remake better. In my Dad's case, he liked the remake because it was more violent, more profane, sexier-- "more". In my case, I liked it because, to me, the story made more sense.

The '32 film was a fictional version of Al Capone's career. But Capone had not been convicted of income tax evasion yet. The ending of the film was the one part that was entirely fictional-- "wishful thinking". On that score, it was a bit contrived and rushed. Made a GREAT ending, though. Shot down like a dog.

However, in the remake, once Tony kills his boss, there's an entirely NEW 45-minute section where his career continues to rise higher and higher... until it finally crests, and he begins to have problems with laundering too much money thru the banks, too much drug intake, and eventually, a government witness who could take down the whole organization. Tony's COLOMBIAN partner-- whose catch phrase is, "Don't F * * * me, Tony!", gives him the job of killing the witness. While Tony's "mistake" in the original was shooting his best friend (until then, the cops had nothing on him), in the remake, his "mistake" was shooting his partner's right-hand man, because he flipped out when he saw LITTLE KIDS in the car he was supposed to blow up! I find that kinda hilarious.

Yes, he STILL shoots his best friend (and for the same reason), but in the remake, NOBODY (except his sister) cares!! The cops are helpless-- they can't do anything. It takes the COLOMBIANS to bring down Al Pacino!! AND THEY DO!!! A real sad statement about just how low, how bad the word had sunk to by the mid-80's.



Ironically, Tony's COLOMBIAN partner gets away scot free. Nobody can touch him. But not forever. I saw a documentary on the History Channel about the real life COLOMBIAN drug lord who Pacino's partner was clearly based on. The real-life events surrounding repeated attempts to bring the guy to justice were so insane, if someone had written it as a story, nobody would believe it. In the end, a police officer SHOT HIM IN THE HEAD while attempting to arrest him. It was argued whether it was an accident, or deliberate MURDER-- because the police just got so fed up with the whole situation, and realized there was NO OTHER WAY to bring the guy down but to kill him outright, and to HELL with a trial.


When I saw this documentary, I flipped out. Because it made me realize... Howard Hawks GOT IT RIGHT. He just got it right about 60 YEARS early!!!

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Yeah, I only ever saw the remake of Scarface when I was still living with my parents and they actually gave up on it when he chooses not to blow up the bomb. Up until that point the guy had been completely ruthless, so having him grow a conscience all of a sudden like that was just too much. So we stopped watching and never finished it off (it was fairly normal for us to watch part of a movie one night and to finish it another night).

Yeah sure there are kids in the car. But we didn't have any reason, based on everything else we'd seen, to believe that would stop him. It's pretty daft. I should probably rewatch the film sometime anyway though.

Loved the 1930s version. :)

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I beg to differ with the OP. I love this film and have seen it numerous times. I only saw the remake once when it first came out and found it so laughable and stupid, that I would never waste my time watching it again. Different strokes I guess.

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Shot for shot, it isn't better, it just looks more "realistic", (i.e. more like today's world). Too long and diffuse, and basically, a complete zero aesthetically. The first shot of the original has more art in it than the whole of the De Palma mess, (which, by the way, did not even get good reviews), and there are a lot more great shots in the film besides the first. If you think the remake is better, you really have nothing to say about the art of film, and are just valuing pictures on how much they entertain you.

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Enjoy the original for what it is - a crude, down and dirty crime film fought out on the tough streets of early 30´s, which unfortunately still feels less than the sum of its parts... but what it DOES accomplish, however, is serving as an excellent blueprint for the later, 1983 film to which DePalma brings his grand style, visual prowess and epic sensibility, converting Hawks´s sketches to a timeless masterpiece. And even trying to compare Muni´s goofy face pulling to Pacino at the heights of his powers, is, well, quite silly. And that´s all it is. And cow don´t make ham.



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Dog Day Afternoon is Pacino at the height of his power. Pacino in Scarface is Christmas ham.

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You kind of need to pay better attention, man. There are subtler shadings going on under the crude machismo - which in itself is an act put on by Montana with a little aid from his "yeyo". And besides, whoever said a great performance can only be the subtle, understated one? Pacino can do bravura with the best of them and when he really lets it rip, it´s always entertaining (with the exception of his often annoying schtick in Heat) and often exhilarating.

But I agree that Dog Day Afternoon - alongside GF & GF 2 - features one of the very few performances of his that´s actually better than in Scarface.

And if you think my above post was condescending or whatever then do yourself a favour and read the message I was replying to - a vile combination of personal insult (I have "nothing to say about the art of film") a strong hint of fallacy (argument by authority), directly followed by a shameless lie (DePalma´s film does not have predominantly poor reviews, having a freshness rate of over 80% at Rotten Tomatoes... if that should matter to anyone).



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It was not "groundbreaking" in 1983; just a superior artistic achievement. And if DePalma´s film was "fluff" then so was Hawks´s as the plot deviates from the original relatively little. In fact, the elements added by DePalma/Stone - most prominently, of course, cocaine - tend to improve the story and broaden the film´s scope.



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The people who 'firewall' the 1932 Scarface sound like a bunch of PC fanboys worshiping legacy technology. "*snorks* This is just far more superior in every exterior. *snorks*", flamboyant with their superiority complex.

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Ha! I was maybe gonna comment, but you said that much better than I could, oh LOL AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA It's *beep*ing hilariously funny because it's so true AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

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But you're wrong. The De Palma version was fluff and the Hawkes was not fluff specifically BECAUSE the De Palma versions didn't deviate from the original in any way. They're are the EXACT same story. With almost IDENTICAL characters. And yet the original manages to tell the exact same story in less than half the time. While De Palma was busy extending each and every scene to beat us over the head with the same point for three hours, Howard Hawkes just told it like it was. Also, Stones screenplay was hypocritical in that it criticized excess, and then was overly excessive itself. BTW, both Scarface and The Godfather were thinly veiled criticisms of capitalism. And yet, The Godfather did it more subtlety and class. Scarface criticizes the excesses of capitalism by being excessively long, excessive usages of the F word, excessive gallons of blood, excessive performances, excessive everything.
I'm not hating on the remake, because I enjoy the remake. But it's a rather weak film in the De Palma cannon.

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The direction in the remake is beautiful (for the most part); it also has a catchy soundtrack, nice suits, blood, and last but not least, great comedy. But, in the end, I am leaning towards the original.





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they're two different paced moies who just share A VAGUE resemblance and the title.
the first one to me, has much more joy in it, more comic parts, it's faster and the main theme is not "money" ,but "power".the girls are much more importants and some true love is shown
the second has much more of a "morale", you can smell death since the beginnnig..nothing ever go really straight,everyone cheats on anyone,no true friendship, no love, just money money other money and then BOUM.the end.

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Recently I've been watching a lot of older movies from the 20's thru 60's and it's funny, people, including myself, are always complaining about remakes and how the original is so much better...but these last few weeks I've found that the remake is actually a remake as well of a version no one in our generation has seen! And even the ones that aren't are usually adapted from a book which sometimes has other adaptations as well! Maybe the problem is that the newer remakes we complain of are of movies made within last 20 or so years when the good ones are from movies remade from a film made 60 or more years ago and the culture is so much different where as the one more recent is too closel I don't know only thing I can think of too explain

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