Anyone who isn't biased.
however, aside from maybe a quick little ride at Greenfield for a novelty, no one today would say the Model T is a nice car to ride in nor would they want it for their day to day vehicle.
They have no A/C, no heat, no electric starter, no shocks, struts, radio, only go about 30 etc, etc. It is a classic, but it is not something anyone would buy were it to come out today. Do you get it?
I get what you are saying, and I already said something similar...
Actors like Lugosi and Karloff started their acting careers in silent pictures, and were used to acting in more physical and less emotional and verbal ways. Many movie companies still had the mindset of "We are making a silent picture...with sound." Perhaps Lugosi and Karloff would not make the cut as actors by modern standards, but they were some of the best in the industry at the time.
We ALL know that the Model T would not sell today. Lugosi and Karloff would not be hired as actors today, either...
But you seem to be missing the point...
To use your example...
If you are only used to having a car with A/C, then any car without A/C is going to be Laughable and a Joke because it doesn't meet today's "standards" that YOU are used to...
But when the Model T came out, the "standards" of the day meant that No Cars had A/C. It was a great car, by those that bought cars at that time.
You have to look at things as to how people saw them
at the time, not with today's modern views on movie making...
As I said, Lugosi and Karloff got their start in Silent Pictures and were trained and taught to make wild gestures and outrageous facial expressions, because they had to, in order for audiences to understand what was happening on film. When they made Dracula, and Frankenstein, the movie industry did not yet understand, that acting had to be done differently for sound pictures. It took a while for those making movies to learn that they needed to change.
Up until about the 1970s, Bats were made of rubber, and hung on wires. When you look back with knowing how movies are made today, they do look stupid. Same goes for all those 1950s Sci-Fi films with Spaceships on wires. Star Wars, it was not!
I saw E.T. The Extra Terrestrial in the theaters, when it came out in the early 1980s. It was considered a great movie AT THE TIME, and I still considered it one of the best movies I have ever seen. Now, I see many people who were born after that movie was made, saying, "What was so great about it?" 80 years from now, People will be also questioning why so many movies that are in theaters now, were considered great. Why, because these movies won't be acceptable, by their "standards".
If you can't let go of the "standards" of present day movie making, then you won't understand, appreciate, and like the movies made during Classic Hollywood. Most of us that have learned to forget about (the "A/C" world of the Automotive industry, and) the CGI world of today's movie making, for just a few hours, love these movies. That is why it is rated so high.
I hope that you can learn to put some of these movies into perspective, and view them as people viewed them when they were first shown in theaters... Many of these movies were really very good.
If you can't then I suggest that you stop trying to watch them, because you will never like them in the ways that those that rate these movies so high, do...
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Put A Little Love In Your Heart, and then Make Your Own Kind Of Music, on the road to Shambala!"
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motter25420-153-699254
8 years ago
Are we just going to go around in circles? I have conceded on more than one occasion these films were no doubt great in the day, much like the Model T, I have conceded their place in history, much like the Model T.
However, just like the Model T, today these films are lame. Anyone alive at the time is now dead, so the people giving this an 8.0 are people who have seen it with "modern eyes".
Outside of any historical perspective, no one would drive a Model T and give it a high rating, likewise, if this film were released on Youtube by a bunch of college kids no one would rate it an 8.0.
So, as I say, outside of it's historical significance there is NO reason why anyone would rate this film so high, it simply does not stand the test of time.
There are plenty of films I loved as a kid and I watch them now I see clear as day they are pretty bad, I have no issue admitting to it, by at the same time there are many that still hold up and I can show them to my nieces/nephews and they love them.
Writing, characters, etc if done right are timeless.
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mcdemuth
8 years ago
However, just like the Model T, today these films are lame. Anyone alive at the time is now dead, so the people giving this an 8.0 are people who have seen it with "modern eyes".
Outside of any historical perspective, no one would drive a Model T and give it a high rating, likewise, if this film were released on Youtube by a bunch of college kids no one would rate it an 8.0.
So, as I say, outside of it's historical significance there is NO reason why anyone would rate this film so high, it simply does not stand the test of time.
So that I can understand what you are trying to say...
Do you believe that...
- When movies reach a certain age, it should be rated less, than what it would be if it were new?
- B&W films are not worthy of a high rating, because they are not in Color?
- Silent films should be rated 1/10 because they have no sound?
- Performances by silent film actors, like Lugosi and Karloff, who were trained in the silent film era, and who were expected to act in more outrageous physical ways, should not be enjoyed by modern audiences?
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jackthehack
8 years ago
I can understand what OP is trying to say. But Frankenstein is one of the few old movies which I found pretty entertaining. It is not very scary at all now but I appreciate the skill behind the whole movie. It is also surprisingly fast-paced.
Unlike this movie, Dracula has not aged very well. Lugosi however is still the count for me.
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steinburg-36188
8 years ago
Well maybe some people can enjoy older films is that an issue? Hell I just saw this movie for the first time last month. I would give it a 9/10 myself. Is it perfect no? However, I think you're a being ridiculous.
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motter25420-153-699254
8 years ago
How many times must I say this same thing over and over? Some people can enjoy anything, but to get an 8.0 rating you are not just talking about some people.
Heck, I love a movie called "Deathstalker 2", but if you go look at it it's rating is around a 4 something, and as much as I love that film, I totally get why it's rated that low.
I won't for a second defend it's acting, plot, sets, effects or any of that, by every measure it is a horrible film, but I love it, however I'd never expect it to be rated an 8 something.
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steinburg-36188
8 years ago
Dude just stop, I get what you are trying to say but you are only making it worse. The point I am trying to make is people are reviewing based on what it is and just because you don't think it's worth the 8 does not mean it isn't worth the 8. It's old but it still works.
Take well received movies of today like The Dark Knight I honestly think after the Affleck Batman films people will think The Dark Knight should be ranked lower. Just like people did with Batman '89 when The Dark Knight came out.
And your Deathstalker 2 movie doesn't sound like it was even impressive on release. Whereas Frankenstein set a standard when it came out. The overall point to all of this is that most films get dated. Just because something new that is better is out doesn't mean the old movies suck just because they seem cheesy or dated in comparison.
Lastly, for a movie you don't seem to care for it seems like you have spent a lot of time talking about it.
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motter25420-153-699254
8 years ago
You put words in my mouth. I care very much about the Frankenstein story and I would love to see a more modernized version, mind you, when I say that, I mean I want to see it if it's going to come out they way I'd do it if I was a billionaire with money to burn, but most attempts by Hollywood to update classics generally disappoint so I actually don't want to see any more attempts to modernize it.
I have argued this with many people now, you all say the same thing and twist my words the same. Bottom line is, give everyone amnesia, wake them up, give them a pile of movies to watch from various eras/genres, no one would rate this movie a 10, most would turn it off 15 min in, some might find it curious and finish it, but that is all.
I have time and again acknowledged it's place in history and it's importance, that was never my discussion, if you bothered to read what I said you would know that, so maybe you need to "just stop" eh?
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steinburg-36188
8 years ago
Well what I said is pretty much what you are saying I didn't change your words at all. It's rated an 8 from people who actually like these types of movies of *beep* course not everyone would pick it up. But not everyone will want to see it how is that so hard for you to understand.
But I'm done arguing with you. You're trolling and theirs no need to keep this going.
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