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I don't know whose acting is better


hers or Emma Watson's

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I would give Kristen the edge because of her career trajectory as well as the amount of critical acclaim she has received, especially over the past 2 years. That being said, I do consider Emma to be a talented actress with noteworthy screen presence and sure do hope she chooses more challenging roles in films such as The Perks of Being a Wallflower to showcase her range. Here are my fave clips of Emma in this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf0UtEdWh50

BTW, I'm anticipating a good performance from Emma in her upcoming film starring opposite Tom Hanks in "The Circle".

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Well Ben. I would say whether its Emma or Kristen, anybody and everybody is a better actress than Leelee Sobieski.

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Not sure if you're aware of this but casting directors for the movie Underwater are looking for stand-ins along with an actor for their New Orleans, Louisiana cast who fits the description:
Man #2: 6'0" to 6'2" African American looking male with brown hair and a slim build.
http://www.projectcasting.com/casting-calls-acting-auditions/kristen-stewarts-underwater-casting-call-new-stand-ins

I myself match the height and build, but unfortunately I'm not "African American looking" and unluckily I can't act if my life depended on it--not to mention I live in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Judging by your YouTube videos you appear to match the description quite well expect for your height, perhaps by a few inches. If only they were filming in Orange County instead of New Orleans. I'm guessing Ron must be a pretty good actor since he, after all, hails from Boston, while Carved can practically drive to NOLA from Florida without breaking a sweat. So perhaps we four should form a composite "6’0” to 6’2” African American looking male with brown hair and a slim build" in order to costar with Kristen in Underwater.

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"I'm guessing Ron must be a pretty good actor since he, after all, hails from Boston, while Carved can practically drive to NOLA from Florida without breaking a sweat. So perhaps we four should form a composite "6’0” to 6’2” African American looking male with brown hair and a slim build" in order to costar with Kristen in Underwater. "

Hehe, I am 6'0 and average/slim build! But I doubt that I could act well enough to be believable in a film. :) I guess we'll have to let Carved have the job. ;)

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With actors who were born and/or raised in Boston, such as Casey Affleck, Mark Wahlberg, Edward Norton, Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Ben Foster, Eliza Dushku and Uma Thurman, just to name a few, and there are several other noteworthy actors born in the state of Massachusetts for that matter such as Kurt Russell, Steve Carell and Elizabeth Banks, I thought that something must be in the water which Bostonians drink which make them predisposed to screen acting.

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"I would say whether its Emma or Kristen, anybody and everybody is a better actress than Leelee Sobieski."

Sobieski was her at her best during her teen years and showed promise of being a highly sought out A-list actress, from her first supporting role in the feature film Deep Impact and the role which garnered her some critical acclaim in A Soldier's Daughter Never Cries in 1998, to challenging roles in Eyes Wide Shut, Joan of Arc and The Glass House in 1999, to Joy Ride and Uprising in 2001. Unfortunately for her and her fans, her career seems to have gone downward since then.

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But then Sobieski got older and got more confused. In later works, she would appear on screen and act as if she didn't know what to do. Whether she should "become" the character she's playing or resort to being herself. Another thing, is that Sobieski took herself too seriously for a lot of people's disliking. Unlike K Stew or Emma Watson who can laugh at themselves and let the haters hang their own selves. Sobieski also isn't that attractive or adorable to look at, in my opinion. Call me shallow but when I don't find an actress attractive to my tastes, I find it too distracting to pay attention to their performance. I would rather watch the actresses I find attractive in bad movies with bad performances than a good movie with a good performance by a actress I think is ugly.

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I find it ironic that we're discussing the death of her career when earlier this week there were false rumors about another internet death hoax, this time involving Sobieski:
http://en.mediamass.net/people/leelee-sobieski/deathhoax.html

It appears that Sobieski has been putting her acting on hold for the past few years to spend more time with her two children. In addition, she told Vogue magazine that, “Ninety percent of acting roles involve so much sexual stuff with other people, and I don’t want to do that.” She then added, "It’s such a strange fire to play with, and our relationship [with her husband Adam Kimmel] is surely strong enough to handle it, but if you’re going to walk through fire, there has to be something incredible on the other side.”

So I guess Sobieski is really putting her family first over her career, which to me is a noble reason for hanging up her acting shoes.

That being said, it does sound a bit superficial that we prefer watching actors who we find attractive to be cast in lead roles and am guessing most moviegoers likewise also do the same, for this is after all show business where looks are king. But then again, Kristen's not just another pretty face but is also a critically acclaimed actress who adds substance to her looks.

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Sobieski may have been a capable actress but relatable she wasn't. Honestly, I miss Paul Hogan- Mr. Crocodile Dundee himself- being in movies than I would Sobieski.

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I sure do miss Paul Hogan as well--although I must say the only character which drew crowds of moviegoers was Crocodile Dundee. The first film was the second highest grossing film in 1986 raking in $328 million worldwide on a $8.8 million production budget, while the sequel also did well grossing nearly $240 million on a $14 million production budget. Most of his other films outside of the Crocodile Dundee franchise failed to earn more than their production budgets.

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I like Emma Watson but I think Kristen has the definite edge in that she's done a lot more roles, different type roles, many challenging and in depth roles. More so that Emma has done so far. I think Emma is very good and capable and in Beauty and the Beast she's getting a lot of notice, as the film broke box office records in its opening weekend. Of course she also had huge notice in the Harry Potter series similar to Kristen in Twilight.

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I like Emma same as I like Kristen. Just that, this past weekend I went to see Personal Shopper with Kristen because Beauty and The Beast is a musical and I don't like musicals. Now I do intend to Emma's next film, The Circle. Personally I lived in situations near horrifying as what happens with Emma in this film. A very small community where your every move is monitored. To be honest I couldn't get into to Certain Women either, I don't really care for segment films either. But Personal Shopper same as The Circle have storylines that I can sink my teeth into. But I would rather have Emma and Kristen everywhere than that walking-talking PMS named Jennifer Lawrence.

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"I think Emma is very good and capable and in Beauty and the Beast she's getting a lot of notice, as the film broke box office records in its opening weekend."

In 10 days this film has grossed nearly $700 million at the box office.

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Stewart. Emma Watson still has to prove herself.

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"Stewart. Emma Watson still has to prove herself."

I believe most other young actresses have is easier than these two, as the main thing they have to prove is that they can act. For Kristen and Emma they must constantly churn out performances that are much different and much more substantive than their roles as Bella Swan and Hermoine Granger. Carrying over even the slightest mannerism, accent or quirk from the roles they are most known for will have moviegoers claiming they act exactly the same in every film even though this clearly isn't the case.

Good to see Emma getting out of her comfort zone by choosing challenging roles in films such as The Colony and Regression. But she still has a ways to go in terms of receiving critical acclaim on par with Kristen.

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"Carrying over even the slightest mannerism, accent or quirk from the roles they are most known for will have moviegoers claiming they act exactly the same in every film even though this clearly isn't the case. "

Interesting point and quite true. It happens with Kristen even in highly praised and very positively critiqued performances. Probably will with Emma too. But do moviegoers criticize performances by other actors who certainly use similar quirks or personality traits in different roles. And that's ok because those traits are part of who they are and how they react or show emotions. In fact, probably to change such things would mean not being natural or believable and open them up for criticism.

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"But do moviegoers criticize performances by other actors who certainly use similar quirks or personality traits in different roles. And that's ok because those traits are part of who they are and how they react or show emotions. In fact, probably to change such things would mean not being natural or believable and open them up for criticism."

Exactly Ron. Kristen sometimes stammers in her films when in deep thought, but so does Jeff Goldblum to an even greater degree as he uses word whiskers such as um, ah-ha and uh interspersed frequently throughout his conversations in all of his films. Kristen is sometimes criticized for keeping her mouth open, those open-mouthed gazes which I actually find endearing--and yet other actresses such as Keira Knightley do it even more excessively yet no one seems to be making a big deal out of it. Kristen sometimes resorts to nervous tics, especially in Twilight, yet Harrison Ford gets away with it, most notably his nervous twitch smile in every single film he has ever starred in. Kristen is sometimes criticized for occasionally pausing at inappropriate places while reciting her lines--yet actors such as Christopher Walken make a habit of pausing unnecessarily while uttering most of his lines while emphasizing words that shouldn't be emphasized. Kristen takes on a wide variety of roles which require her to speak in multiple accents and is sometimes criticized for not being completely authentic and yet we have actors such as Liam Neeson, who regardless of the roles he is cast in, always reverts back to the accent he's most comfortable with, in Nesson's case, his Irish accent.

And lastly we have 7-time Oscar nominated actor Denzel Washington, who is perhaps better known for his personality acting than his character acting, an actor who never disappears into a role but instead fully embraces all of his personality quirks, traits, eccentricities and tics and emotes these onscreen. Some that come to mind is the way he repeats the same word excessively, repeats phrases such as "My man" and "My brother" excessively, stammers excessively, uses his New York accent excessively, points his finger excessively, flails his arms excessively, licks and smacks his lips excessively, wipes his nose with his index finger excessively, grins excessively, forced laughs excessively, shakes his head and nods excessively, opens his eyes wide then blinks excessively in each and every one of his films. And yet we never hear of movie directors, critics or the majority of moviegoers for that matter, telling him to dial down his personality quirks and for good reason since if they did and Denzel obliged, we wouldn't have the actor millions of moviegoers around the world have come to know and love him for. Here are some YouTube videos of Denzel Washington impersonators who illustrate the mannerisms he is renowned for:

Dean Edwards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcCdZr_sklI

Jay Pharoah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLn4ckxt9i8

London Brown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6nj-IWwrYk

Reggie Reg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-mmxFdva4w&t=151s

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"And lastly we have 7-time Oscar nominated actor Denzel Washington, who is perhaps better known for his personality acting than his character acting, an actor who never disappears into a role but instead fully embraces all of his personality quirks, traits, eccentricities and tics and emotes these onscreen. "

I was trying to think of several actors who have very similar mannerisms in their roles. Bruce Willis and Denzel Washington are two of them, probably Denzel more so. I really like both of them but still I notice their similarities. Harrison Ford also as you mention, another actor I like but does the same thing. I think much of it is how actors show their emotions and expressions in real life, at least to some extent. Everyone is different so will have different mannerism. This is why I and I'm sure others like certain actors, we like how they emote, show emotions and behave. As I say, if they tried to show these things very differently they would probably look fake, unless the part called for something very different.

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"I was trying to think of several actors who have very similar mannerisms in their roles."

Or we could word it, there are very few actors who are able to completely disappear into a role making them virtually unrecognizable--while pretty much all the other actors in Hollywood carry over their various personality mannerisms and quirks from one film role to the next.

A few actors who are an exception to this rule are: Daniel Day Lewis the ultimate method actor is so different and distinct in every role he plays in films such as My Left Foot, The Last of the Mohicans, There Will Be Blood, Gangs of New York and Lincoln. One of the most underrated actors in terms of getting into character in several of his films yet still not winning an Oscar is Gary Oldman whose acting is as diverse as his roles in movies such as Sid and Nancy, Bram Stokers Dracula, The Fifth Element, The Professional and The Dark Knight. Then we have Heath Ledger, an actor who excels in being a ladies man in films such as Casanova and 10 Things I Hate About You, but then did a 180 degree turn in Brokeback Mountain, then turned his acting career completely on "its side" as the Joker would say in The Dark Knight with his disappearing act as the Joker in TDK. And finally we need to recognize one of your fave actors, Johnny Depp who portrayed just about every type of character imaginable, from someone who couldn't hurt a fly to a ruthless gangster and everything in between, his impressive filmography including roles in What's Eating Gilbert Grape, Cry-Baby, Edward Scissorhands, Benny and Joon, Pirates of the Caribbean, Finding Neverland, Chocolat, Secret Window, Donnie Brasco, Public Enemies, From Hell and Black Mass.

While Kristen isn't in the same league as these aforementioned uber talented actors, she has shown good versatility and range in her roles in films such as Panic Room, The Cake Eaters, Speak, Into the Wild, Adventureland, The Runaways, Clouds of Sils Maria and Personal Shopper to name a few.

One more thing I might add about Daniel Day Lewis is that over the past 24 years, he has starred in only 8 films, an average of about one movie every three years. In comparison, Kristen has starred in a whopping 37 full length feature films over the course of just 16 years, which doesn't include her performances in short films, music videos, SNL hosting, etc. While I love for her to star in as many films as possible, perhaps she's spreading herself out too thin. Just wondering how great her performances would be if she just focused on one quality film role every three years like Lewis does. I recall Kristen mentioning how she needed to take a break from acting after her role in Personal Shopper because this performance took so much out of her. I'm guessing that the same is true for actors such as Lewis who totally immerse themselves into each and every one of their character roles.

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"While Kristen isn't in the same league as these aforementioned uber talented actors, she has shown good versatility and range in her roles in films such as Panic Room, The Cake Eaters, Speak, Into the Wild, Adventureland, The Runaways, Clouds of Sils Maria and Personal Shopper to name a few. "

Yes, she's done many challenging and in depth roles, showing some good versatility.

I also very much agree with you on Lewis, Oldman, Ledger and Depp. I've seen Oldman in roles where I didn't recognize him at first. And Depp takes on some wild roles that take some unique work, like Pirates of the Caribbean for one which I loved him in.

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