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So the red hair barrette (Spoilers)


So at the end Joe sends Jim a red hair barrette in an envelope with a note that says "NO ANGELS", and then we see Joe burning all of Sparma's things, and he burns the last bag and then goes to his front seat and we see he recently bought a set of hair Barrette's and the red one is gone, and he then burns those.

So did Joe send Jim that red hair barrette to make him think Sparma was indeed the killer so he wouldn't feel guilty about killing him? Cause as the audience at first you think ok he found that in Sparma's things and Sparma was the killer after all, but then we go on to see Joe bought it from a store, and so we still don't really know if Sparma was the killer or not, but now Jim likely does.

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So did Joe send Jim that red hair barrette to make him think Sparma was indeed the killer so he wouldn't feel guilty about killing him?

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Yeah its what i figured, and i just now thought about how Joe accidentally killed a young woman, and we see his guilt over that throughout the film, so he knows what Jim is going through, and this was a way to kinda take that burden off Jim, which now thinking about it was really cool of Joe.

Cause you can see Jim sitting there at the pool looking really off, just sitting there thinking about everything, all the victims, did he get the right guy? and his little girls are there in the pool just looking at him and he's mentally not there with them. And Joe kinda swoops in there and saves him with that envelope in a way.

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While both were wracked with guilt, I would just note there was a difference between the two: Washington killed an innocent accidentally (an incident that felt absurd and unbelievable I should add) while Malek killed a suspect willfully, even if he was goaded by him.

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Well i don't think Jim swung the shovel with intent to kill him, i think he just got pissed and wanted to hit him, cause immediately after he checked on him and wanted him to be ok. I mean the guy was essentially threatening his family it seemed and getting into his head, i don't know a guy who wouldn't lose it on someone doing that if you had a shovel in your hand and had been tricked by this asshole all night and taunted.

Plus its not like Jim killed a young innocent sweet woman, he killed a slime ball nutjob who was getting a hard on looking at crime scene photos of dead bodies, no great loss. The guy was definitely a psycho of some form even if he wasn't the killer they was specifically after.

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Well, it wasn't premeditated, but part of Malek did want to kill him and there's a good likelihood that if you swing a shovel with force into someone's head they're going to die. That being said, I was just noting that their circumstances were different.

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I really had to cooperatively suspend my disbelief in accepting that Jim would get in a car with Sparma and allow himself to be driven to a remote area and then willingly start digging holes with the suspect. Seemed hard to fathom considering a few scenes earlier Jim was unwilling to put Sparma in a lineup out of concern the procedure was tainted when the witness happened to see Sparma in handcuffs.

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lots of problems with this movie imo

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Cause you can see Jim sitting there at the pool looking really off, just sitting there thinking about everything, all the victims, did he get the right guy? and his little girls are there in the pool just looking at him and he's mentally not there with them. And Joe kinda swoops in there and saves him with that envelope in a way.

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The problem with this is.....The Murders are going to continue!

Sparma clearly wasnt the killer!

This was made clear by the opening sequence....we get to the REAL killer "walking" around hunting the girl that got away...

and The REAL killers walk is NOTHING like Jared Leto's/Sparma walk(In fact that was my favorite thing about Leto's Performance, He clearly crafted a very Specific walk for his character)

Sparma's Walk is so Specific, you simply could not confuse it.....The REAL Killer at the beginning of the movie walks nothing like Sparma


So Joe sent Jim The FAKE Red hair clip to make him feel better and believe Sparma was the real killer....It was a nice thought of Joe...

But unfortunately since Sparma clearly wasnt the REAL killer....Jim is at best only going to feel better for a few months and then will immediately know Joe sent him a fake hair clip once more bodies start showing up from the REAL killer...



This movie was a train wreck!

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The problem with this is.....The Murders are going to continue!

Sparma clearly wasnt the killer!


You are basing that solely on how person walked? I can tell you right now that the killer (whose face was never shown) was not Jared Leto. Films always use stand-ins, especially in a movie like this where the mystery is a major part of the story.

All the evidence pointed to Leto being the killer, and there was quite a lot of it. The movie just did not make stone-cold, written in stone that he was.

Also how do you know the murders are going to continue? The movie did not end on a dreary tone?

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You may be interested in the video I linked to below.

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Sorry, but I think you are missing the whole point of the film. There was zero evidence of Leto being the killer. He drove a completely different car, his truck they searched had no evidence even though they tore it apart, his apartment had nothing but some news paper clippings in a badly hidden hole in the floor, he had a handy cap and was simply a wierdo wannabe who tried to turn himself in 8 years ago for a murder he didn't commit. One of the other cops even state "Walk-in confessors are never the killers" Yes, the film is made to steer you in the direction of making you think he is the killer, when he really isn't. This is a movie about police incompetence and them latching on to a suspect until they get what they want... a conviction.

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Pretty much all the evidence pointed to Leto being the killer. Also I don't think the police are incompetent or that the movie even remotely suggested that. He certainly was a weirdo and also a very dangerous one. Even when Baxter was digging the holes, Leto's character threatens his family and taunts him that the murders will continue. That seems pretty incriminating to me. Will the murders continue? That was the main point of the movie...uncertainty and it leaves the audience to decide for themselves. I absolutely believe Leto was the killer, but that is just my point of view and I know others will have other ideas with evidence to back it up.

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Deacon was convinced Sparma was the killer and the movie gave enough to conclude he was correct. The movie shows Sparma leading Deacon to the remote roadway mile marker 467 where the second murder victim was found a couple hundred yards off the road; a location that had never been previously revealed to the public. Sparma’s fingerprint matched 11 identifiers from the one found at Julie Brock’s apartment where his appliance repair company had been hired to fix the fridge just days before she was found murdered. In his trash was a beer can matching the brand from Brock’s fridge. He got sexually aroused seeing the photos of the dead women. The camera focused on the face of Tina Salvatore, the witness from the start of the movie, as she connected Sparma’s gait at the police station from when she was stalked off the roadway in October 1990.

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That is all hearsay evidence. The director is just trying to lead you on in pinning Leto as the murderer. Sorry, but no true, convict-able evidence is given, and that's the point.

1. The movie shows Sparma leading Deacon to the remote roadway mile marker 467 where the second murder victim was found a couple hundred yards off the road; a location that had never been previously revealed to the public. - This wasn't a remote mile marker, and Sparma had a police scanner where he could have easily overheard the call and went there to see for himself

2. Sparma’s fingerprint matched 11 identifiers from the one found at Julie Brock’s apartment where his appliance repair company had been hired to fix the fridge just days before she was found murdered. - They clearly stated that even the police forensic analysis had 9 identifiers and maybe "he was the murderer", meaning that 11 identifiers is not a guilty match.

3. In his trash was a beer can matching the brand from Brock’s fridge. - This is the director leading you once again. Complete coincidence and not true evidence.

4. The camera focused on the face of Tina Salvatore, the witness from the start of the movie, as she connected Sparma’s gait at the police station from when she was stalked off the roadway in October
1990. - Again, leading you on. Sparma never owned "fancy boots", and when she was at the police station she saw his face before the picture (she never actually saw his face or could identify anything but the boots at the gas station) then saw his picture and "guessed" that might be him. The cops were upset she saw him in handcuffs first because that is leading the witness and that can't be used in court.

Sorry but those are the facts and it's clear that Sparma didn't do it. This movie makes you think a little deeper than what is simply presented to you. The cops, in this particular case, were so infatuated with Sparma (yes, he was a sick, twisted guy who was infatuated with killers) but he never killed.

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Nothing I listed involved hearsay whatsoever. However, I do think your rebuttal is correct and I subsequently came around to your position in my later post below. (Although, I didn’t cite anything in my original argument about Sparma wearing boots). Your points are a very articulate summary of why the evidence against Sparno is, at best, too ambiguous to convince us (or Baxter) that he was guilty. Turns out Deacon realizes this as well. Why else would he send Baxter the red barrette at the end of the movie?

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Nice. When I finished the movie I was very disappointed, thinking the whole time Sparma was the killer, but then quickly realized how clever the director and writer were to make me think this way. It wasn't until further reflection and conversation with my better half (she's way smarter than me anyway) that I realized I had been lead down the wrong path, just like the police were. I feel this movie is actually very good now and will probably watch again with different eyes.

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It’s not a perfect flick but, look at all the back and forth about it on this blog and how your significant other convinced you and how I made the case against Sparma in my post and how you picked that apart with contrary evidence. And nobody’s bitching about political stuff or getting offended by the actors. Everybody’s just debating the film. That’s the sign of a very entertaining movie.

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How are you so sure the man in the opening sequence is the killer they are looking for? He didn't kill, or even hurt that girl.

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I would say no. All the 'little things' pointed to someone other than Sparma being the killer, although Sparma was clearly some sort of psycho himself.

And, it does leave the end with a dangling plotline... if the killer continues, Jim will realize that Joe lied to him with the barrette.

Normally, in these situations, I try to think like a scriptwriter and 'find' a solution for the problem. I can think of a few weak ways to get around the problem, but they are so weak and improbable that I couldn't defend them.

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Good point, though we don't know if Malek, skeptical as detectives are, will really believe that's the actual barrette, doesn't have a sense what Washington is doing.

Found this 10 minute video on the case for and against Leto being the killer. (2:25 begins for, 9:50 begins against.) Narrator points out the guy at the beginning wears glasses, has short hair, has no beard and drives a car Leto doesn't, but also that his criminal gear doesn't correspond to the serial killer's MO making him a possible red herring. The car that appears to follow the last victim is also one not identified with him or Leto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqJe5YZlIzQ

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Wow. Good observations on all points. Thanks for the link to the video, all good points for and against.

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I watched the video....I enjoyed it


But My opinion hasnt changed....

In order for you to believe Leto is the actually KILLER.....you have to believe the opening sequence is a complete DISHONEST attempt to trick the audience....

you have to believe the opening sequence has nothing to with the actually REAL killer The entire movie is based, instead its just some other random person trying to Hunt and kidnap a girl...

I just cant imagine the writer and director being this Dishonest!

I have to believe that opening sequence actually has a purpose ....The scene was specifically shot to reveal things about the KILLER that we would later on be able to see as clues...


Its 100% clear The Person in the opening sequence is NOT Leto's character...

Sparma is not the KILLER hunting the lady in the opening sequence....

If you want to believe the opening sequence is a Dishonest, trick by the writer.director...I cant argue....I just find that level of Dishonesty almost impossible to believe....



I think its clear, Sparma was not the killer...

I think its clear by The opening sequence and I think NONE of the 17 things the video point out are even remotely convincing

I think the writer clearly wrote a few things, Mainly The "Roast Beef" clue and The Rabbit Foot and watch(I think thats clearly an attempt by the writer to make people believe they were trophies from his victims) and a few other to make you think ....But some of the clues the video points like The Books actually dont point to his guilt and instead point to him being a being a Crime Buff who wants to take credit for other peoples crimes..

bottom line...None of the clues are that compelling and by far the absolute BEST evidence is the confirmation that Sparma already tried to confess to a murder he didnt commit...

I think the writer/director wanted people to be "Guessing" during the film so he made sure to write enough clues that you wouldnt be sure either way...

But for me it all comes back to the opening sequence....

That scene was either the Single most Dishonest scene ever put into a movie and was only made to trick and deceive the audience...

Or that scene clearly proves Sparma was not the REAL KILLER

again I just cant imagine we are watching an unrelated KILLER and that has nothing to do with the events of the film....I have to believe The Opening Sequence is of the REAL KILLER who is responsible for the 6 girls deaths we hear about through the girl....


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But the scene IS related to Sparma, even if it wasn't Sparma involved.

The girl identified Sparma (even if wrongfully) so introducing how he girl was hunted made sense.

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But the scene IS related to Sparma, even if it wasn't Sparma involved.

The girl identified Sparma (even if wrongfully) so introducing how he girl was hunted made sense.

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yes I agree but given that almost nothing comes from the ID from the girl, It has almost NO relevance to the movie and couldnt be The MAIN reason for adding the entire opening sequence....

again the point of the opening sequence either has to be A complete LIE....The Writer wrote an opening sequence to intentionally mislead and trick the audience in the absolute most Dishonest way possible by opening the movie showing a scene about a completely different killer that has nothing to do with the movie or the deaths the detectives are investigating

Or The Opening Sequence is in fact the real killer and was shot specifically in way to show Jared Leto's character isnt actually the KILLER, but we wont know that until we watch the entire film...



If That scene truly is of a completely different killer and is NOT the KILLER the detectives are hunting.....then that scene was added to simply Trick and deceive the audience....and again for me, I cant think of a more DISHONEST scene...

thats why I just cant accept or believe The Opening sequence isnt the REAL KILLER...I literally cant imagine a Professional Writer, especially someone as accomplished as The writer/director of this film doing something that dishonest....



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Are you saying the same about all movies that have a plot twist at the end? That the whole movie was dishonest and didn't add anything useful to the story?

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Are you saying the same about all movies that have a plot twist at the end? That the whole movie was dishonest and didn't add anything useful to the story?

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NO I love movies with Plot twists...

In fact I have no idea why you are mentioning plot twists....

The Opening Sequence isnt a plot twist....theres a MASSIVE Difference between Misleading an audience during the course of a film to PAY off a Plot Twist and what happened in this film if the Opening Sequence is in fact just A completely MADE UP scene about a different KILLER that has nothing to do with the movies events and isnt the actual killer the detectives are hunting during this film...that wouldnt be a plot twist, It would just be Dishonest film making


PS

whats your favorite Movie Plot Twist?

I think My favorite is SAW 1.....Its probably the most shocked I've ever been by a movies Twist Ending , I didnt remotely see the ending/twist coming...

another favorite of mine is The Village(Yes I know most hate this film) but I love it and was completely surprised by The BOTH Major twists in the film....

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When Jim and Deacon meet at the bar to discuss all the victims, Jim says all were gagged, bound, and knifed. The gear in the trunk of the car of the stalker at the start of the movie included a gag, duct tape for binding wrists, and a large knife in a leather sheath. I don’t know why the YouTuber thinks the sheathed knife is a belt. I’m also not buying some of the other conclusions made in the YouTube video. In Julie Brock’s apartment when the technicians were talking about “it’s starting to look like Illinois” and the other says, “It’s Michigan,” they were not comparing the scene to a murder case “like one in Michigan” as claimed by your YouTuber. They were joking that the blood stain on the floor looked like the outlines of one of those states which is why Baxter told them to “cut it out;” in other words, stop the unprofessional banter. Finally, when the camera focused on the face of Tina Salvatore, the witness from the start of the movie, she seemed clearly to connect Sparma’s gait at the police station from when she was stalked off the roadway in October 1990. I don’t know why the YouTuber thought that original stalking event happened so close in time to the events being investigated by Deacon and Baxter such that the stalker could not be Sparma because there was short hair and no beard. Did the movie ever make clear that there was insufficient time between those two events such that Sparma could not grow his hair or beard?

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I thought it was a sheath myself, but his point about the tape not matching the binding material (which we see in the repair shop) is a good one.

I initially took the Michigan remark to be a joke about the blood stain myself, but the guy says "it's starting to look like...", language that could be alluding to it taking the shape of a murder elsewhere. His coworker corrects him with "Michigan" and we learn later that Sparma was in Detroit for a while.

The witness tells Jim she probably can't identify her perpetrator and it appeared to me she was only disturbed by the suspect's presence not that she recognized Sparma. I took her incident to have been pretty recent but don't remember a time period being established.

In a reply above you argued for Sparma's guilt because he knew about the mile marker which was never made public. It was sent over dispatch, however, which Sparma had access to.

The movie is purposely ambiguous about the guilty party, but I think we're given enough to believe it's not Sparma and his innocence works best narratively: Two detectives, two similar cases, two fatal mistakes that will haunt them.

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You make several compelling and cogent points (especially about the Mile Marker going out over dispatch). You’ve made me think twice and I’ll have to watch again.

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Thanks, your post inspired me.

An efficient way to review a movie or search for something in it is through subtitles. Srt/subtitle files can be opened with notepad and searched with ctrl + f. Subscene is a great place to find them.

In terms of Sparma's guilt, maybe the strongest circumstantial evidence was his arousal looking at the photos, but he enjoyed messing with detectives so could've manufactured that. Possible as well that being the strange character he was he had his own odd predilections I suppose.

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I rewatched and noticed another clue. The events where Tina Salvatore was stalked on the roadway to start the film and the events in which Deacon and Baxter were investigating Sparma both occurred in October 1990. We know the stalking of Tina occurred at that time because the date stamp is provided onscreen. But I also looked carefully at the evidence envelope Deacon pokes his pen into just after first meeting Baxter at the evidence lab upon arrival in LA. It has an October 1990 date on it. Thus, there was not enough time for Sparma to grow his hair and a beard at the time of being investigated by Deacon and Baxter if he was the clean shaven, short haired guy who stalked Tina to start the movie. I think you’re 100% correct in your take. Which means Baxter is going to come unglued when the murders continue.

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Which means Baxter is going to come unglued when the murders continue.

Which is why a poster above took such issue with the barrette stunt.

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what does ''NO ANGELS'' mean? what is he referring to?

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It's a play on LA, being the City of Angels. The City of Angels has no angels, not even it's hero's, and that's okay.

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The message is for the ghost in Jim's swimming pool. It means they are not her angels.

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It's pretty straight forward

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Yes,, that is how I took it.

He did it to make him think they had evidence he was indeed the killer. Annoying ending, we still don't know who the killer was.

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