MovieChat Forums > Eyes Wide Shut (1999) Discussion > I've decided it wasn't meant to be symbo...

I've decided it wasn't meant to be symbolic


I've always had mixed feelings about this one. I'm a big Kubrick fan, but Eyes Wide Shut always felt like it was trying to hard to be symbolic of something, and I never could decide exactly what he wanted us to take from it. I just watched it again and decided it wasn't meant to be allegorical...I honestly think it was more documentary than anything else. I think he knew these people in a sense, knew his days were few, and decided to reveal it. Then agaun maybe I'm becoming a conspiracy theorist as I approach the half-century mark, lol. Thoughts?

reply

It's very symbolic in terms of film language. Really paying attention to this film changed the way I understood the use of colour in a film.

As far as allegory, probably not. It's a sociological observation about a society with strange sexual frustrations. It's everything every other Kubrick is - satirical, honest, dark, strange and yes, symbolic, in that Kubrick has esoteric symbolism, repeating motifs (Kubrick stare, surely a symbol and is present in EWS with Bill).

He was exposing some very deep psychology, and I'm sure Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman felt very exposed by the end of it, as did Bill and Alice.

Things such as the use of the Rothchild mansion don't strike me as accidental, rather considered as with most other things, Kubrick was indeed obsessive about connections within his films. The setting of New York and works of art with interesting social relevance as well as personal significane strike me as indiciating something very personal for Kubrick with this film.



Buy The Ticket, Take The Ride

reply

Filming this took ages and Kubrick tweaked with seemingly futile details endlessly. He always does this and when the film turns out to be a masterpiece it's obvious why it took such a long time to make.

When it turns out like this it's like the old man had no idea what he was trying to accomplish.

Maybe no-one overlooked anything, and the movie is exactly what it looks like on the surface. A dark, nightmarish journey into the nighttime sexual escapades of the New York elite.

Persnonally I think every movie that has sex as a major theme automatically becomes cheap, whether it is Fatal Attraction, Basic Instinct or Eyes Wide Shut.



"Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man..."

reply

Why does a movie (just movies? paintings, books?) become cheap with sex as a theme? It's a pretty important theme in life.



Buy The Ticket, Take The Ride

reply

I don't know, but it's a good question. Name one indisputable classic with a graphic sex scene in it. And no, Eyes Wide Shut is not an indisputable classic.



"Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man..."

reply

Maybe Don't Look Now, but even if its a classic it's mostly known for the movie with the greatest sex scene in it....



"Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man..."

reply

All a matter of taste I believe. Lots of 'classic movies' have sex in them - only a prude lets that take away from it.

As far as classics not including Eyes Wide Shut - Clockwork Orange comes to mind. You need to distinguish between when sex is used to sell tickets and when it is used thoughtfully, realistically or in a creative artistic manner.

Back to the subject at hand, perhaps?



Buy The Ticket, Take The Ride

reply

"Kubrick tweaked with seemingly futile details endlessly"

I know this post is 7 years old, but I bet 'ee did

reply

The following is a sketch of the theme of the movie:

Essentially, "Eyes Wide Shut" is Homer's "Odyssey" re-worked to fit Freudian psychology. As a brief reminder, Freud posited that the human mind is composed of three competing components:

1. The Id, which represents the dark subconscious drives of lust for sex, power, violence an domination over others,

2. The Super Ego which is the result of expectations in our lives that drive us to conform to standards and is manifested as guilt and self criticism, and

3. The Ego, which is our little rational self that, weakly, tries to negotiate between the Id and Super Ego.

In a nutshell, Dr. Bill is a man who's Id is asleep and is completely driven by his Super Ego. He lives his life in perfect conformity with the way he thinks he should. He is a successful doctor with beautiful patients, has a beautiful wife and beautiful daughter, lives in a beautiful apartment surrounded by beautiful artwork, in a beautiful neighborhood and attends parties with beautiful people where beautiful models try to seduce him. He is happy in his existence, but he is blind to the darker elements of the human mind, thus, his eyes are "wide shut."

Dr. Bill is plastic and hollow. His smile is attractive but phony, His perspectives on the people around him are superficial and un-insightful.

As we meet his wife, she is angry. Her husband does not really see her as anything but a part of his beautiful life and she is alienated by it. She feels un-seen. She goes to the party and she feels the pull of seduction and the pangs of jealousy and she hates herself for it; and, moreover, she is angry because she is isolated from her husband because he seems blind to such human states of mind. She is a person hurting from loss of career but Dr. Bill doesn't seem to get it. They are still beautiful people living a beautiful life as they should.

In exasperation, she provokes her husband in an argument to finally try to get him to see her truly, as a complex human being dealing with dark feelings. She challenges his image of her and his limited human perspective by revealing a fantasy and, later, a dream. Her fantasy derived by an experience of a man who, with a glance, was able to see her, something Dr. Bill, seemingly, can't do.

Her provocation cracks his armor and the needles of his Id rush forth in the form of a maddening jealous sexual fantasy derived from his wife's revelations. He flees into the city where he goes through a tour of characters dominated by their Id. At first he dismisses them as off the wall until he finds himself at the ritualistic orgy of some super-rich secret society. The Super Rich follow Nietzsche's "Master Morality," i.e., they do whatever they please, which means chasing the desires of their Id, unbridled. The seemingly wildly out of place scene exemplifies an extreme display of the Id in overt human behavior, thus is useful to drive the awakening of Dr. Bill.

After witnessing the bizarre sexual ritual, he re-retraces his steps to re-visit the cast of characters he had visited the day before and sees them through open eyes, newly aware of their humanity in the darker elements of mankind. He reaches out to them, but can' make contact, which drives him home.

In his tour, Dr, Bill is exposed to all the powers of the Id: lust, power, perversion, domination and power. The experiences break the barriers erected by his Super Ego. His eyes are now open to the seamy realities of human nature. He feels the draw, the repulsion, the pain and the beauty. He discovers that the wold of the Id is sublime.

He goes home to find the mask laying on his pillow next to his wife. It is a symbol of the barrier from intimacy that his Super Ego had created. But now, the mask is gone, Dr. Bill's Id has been unleashed. He can see his wife for the first time though these eyes. He can now see her pain and anger for what it is, and see her as a whole person.

The wife is hurt but relieved to hear of his journey. Finally, the two can begin to share a balanced life. Not a superficially happy life contented by meeting superficial standards and expectations but rather living as whole people with both rational as well as dark, irrational and emotional sides.

On one level, the movie is quite dark. Can we call it personal growth when someone learns something that makes them less happy? It is like the choice of Neo in "The Matrix." Would it be better to be happily deluded or to see things as they actually are, in full color rather than just in black and white, if pain also comes along with it?

This is the dark ground covered by the film. Within this framework, that Dr, Bill has a personal awakening to the world of the Id, the progression of the film is quite clean. Every scene is useful in the progression.

I hope that this thematic structure will allow a few readers to better enjoy the film.

reply

Wow man this... Just changed my way to understand the movie. Oo Right on!

reply

Great post!! Amazing.

I think people themselves have to open their eyes to the things you mentioned here, before they can understand this movie.

reply

Good summary, if a little optimistic.

reply

Spot On. Thank you. Someone is paying attention.

reply

"Conspiracy theory" = Truth that makes sheep uncomfortable.

reply

Symbolic? The Shining was more symbolic about Apollo 11 and Gemini and all that.

This movie almost directly SCREAMS at you, LOOK at what's going on in the world, don't you care? And yet, Kubrick named it 'Eyes Wide Shut', because he knew people wouldn't see, because their eyes are shut very tightly, and globally (as widely as possible) as to what the 'power elite' are doing.

So yeah, it's not symbolic, it's pretty close to being literal, direct and openly showing people how things work, and they still don't get it - - exactly as predicted by the title!

reply