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No. There's no anti-Communism in the book and all this anti-Communist propaganda added in the american version is just capitalist propaganda.
The author is indeed chinese, but the book has a total of ZERO anti-Chinese propaganda. Yes, there are criticism, and good ones, to the excesses of the revolution and other aspects of the Chinese government, but the author is never anti-communism nor anti-revolution, let alone against China as a nation. All this garbage and all the whitewashing were added by Dumb & Dumber. And this indeed makes the anti-Chinese propaganda both hilarious and hateful.
Why are you putting words in my mouth (or my fingers)? I'm not talking about the Germans as a whole, I'm talking about the NAZIS. I obviously don't condemn the Germans as a people, and I'm positively certain that this is the case for the overwhelming majority of those who condemns the nazis. When you change the word 'nazi' by the word 'german', as if the condemning of the former were equivalent to the condemning of the latter, you incur in a tactic that's very common to nazi revisionists. So, just to make sure you don't fall into that last category, let's forget about the Germans as a whole, they are not the subject of my inquiry.
Furthermore, I'm not interested in your opinions about the situation of white supremacy back then, especially when said opinion has nothing to do with my original comment, the one you commented first. The user Beau_Buffet said that some actions of the nazis weren't logic, and I explained how, on the contrary, through the optics of their white supremacist beliefs and world view, those cruel actions against races they deemed as inferior were indeed VERY "logical".
All your subsequent chatter doesn't change that conclusion. I could argue that, to the nazi doctrine, Arabs and Japaneses, since they were not from the aryan race, also were considered inferior by the nazis, but that's not necessary. Even if you try to defend the fool and misguided view that nazis considered those latter ethnicities at pair with the aryan race, that's not the case towards Jews and the Slavs. It's well documented and proved beyond any doubt that nazis deemed Jews and Slavs as inferior races. And those last ones are the only facts needed to make sense of my original analysis.
Finally, if you intend to continue this debate, I would like to at least know your opinion about the Nazis. Do you condemn nazism? Do you believe the nazis were evil? Do you believe that white supremacy is evil? In fact, do you believe that ideas about superior races are evil and stupid?
Are you saying that:
(1) the nazis weren't evil?
(2) that they didn't consider themselves from a SUPERIOR RACE?
(3) that they didn't try to ELIMINATE those ethnicities that they deemed as INFERIOR?
Yes, it is indeed "logic" by the eyes of the nazis. They didn't merely have a problem with how those kids were being educated. It was their RACE that they hated: they believe that slavic people were an "inferior race" who deserved to be eliminated from the face of the Earth.
Just to be clear for everyone who may come across this thread, yes, doublethink03 is certainly at least a proto-fascist and probably also a proto-Nazi. Strong anti-communism, especially the ones who take the opportunity to surreptitiously defend Nazism and "humanize" Nazi,s is usually the hallmark of these people.
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This has immediately become one of my favorite (anti-)war movies of all times. The raped mother and the burnt barn scene will be forever impressed in my souls, as a reminder of all the infinite horrors of war.
This is the kind of stupidity we have to read on this boards infested with far-right morons. Too one-sided? A movie where the other side are the NAZIS??? What would this guy like the movie to show? How nice were the nazis? How humanitarian were their treatment of people, specially the ones not-graced with aryan blood? How they were so beautiful, so elegant, so inteligent, so joyful, so pious, so concerned about helping other people?
It's funny, though, 'cause I never saw, not a single time, anyone going to a US WW2 movie board complain about the one-sidedness of the story. But every movie that dares to show the suffering of soviet people during WW2, or how heroic the red army were during said war (and bear in mind that, contrary to the mythology created by Hollywood, who saved the world from the Nazis wasn't the American army, but the Soviet one), here comes a bunch of a protonazi anti-communists to cry about the script's injustice towards the nazis: "Oh, but the film was SO unfair to my dear nazis..."
And here am I, coming in here to try to discuss this beautiful but poignant movie and its themes, but instead having to deal with libertarian far-right incel ideology. What a tragedy.
What's the purpose of this useless comment? Decrease the quality of the film or merely spread capitalist propaganda? Because if we're going to hit this point, the US, UK and France, to name just a few, also committed countless war crimes and crimes against humanity.
"Instead of sharing the main character's sense of disbelief and horror at each new encounter, instead I found myself figuring out the plot long before it materialized"
This is not a movie about plot twists or being surprised by the script. Obviously, it's very difficult NOT to think that his family is dead when he returns home or that the cow is going to die. Not to mention that, by now, most of us already know about the WW2's countless horrors. But, as I said, this is not a movie to be surprised by the script, but one that tries to pass a tiny bit of the real horrors of a war, specially WW2. If you cannot shed a tear or have a terrible sense of despair watching the barn scene, this is not the movie's fault, it's you that have being desensitized by whatever you've been lived. I also have watched a LOT of movies, including a lot of movies with barn scenes similar to the one in the movie, like 'The Patriot' one; but that doesn't me that the one in C&S loses its brutal impact because it wasn't the first of its kind that I've seen (specially because it seems and feels WAY more real and concrete than in any the over-the-top, over-dramatic Hollywood movie).
Obviously, no one is forced to like any movie, so you are entitled to your opinion, as anyone in this forum. But, at least to me, the points you make to try to justify said opinion are far from something that could be considered a real criticism.
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