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what was the point of the Tom character?
significance of the N-Sync song?
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so does Hannay get that milkman killed early in the film?
adverting
anyone else find it ironic?....
couple of spoiler questions
my theory (spoilers)
couple of questions re Charlie Dillon
ret con by omission
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I think the only reason he doesn't is because, immediately after calling the number, he looks through the SIU file and sees that picture of Costello talking to Lazlo and other stuff indicating that he's an FBI informant.
He therefore thinks twice about helping Costello and it contributes to his decision to "take him down" when he knows he's going to the warehouse
"you can't get a little bit pregnant" and "(money) makes you do things you don't want to do" are 2 of the best lines in a film full of great one-liners, which is especially something since, like you say, he had such little screen time.
Having been convinced that the film was originally supposed to be shown in this order, I've just re-watched again and now I'm unsure. That scene after the "final fight" when Clooney's backpack malfunctions and only goes horizontally is a nice echo of the same thing happening to young Frank Walker at the beginning of the movie.
The "intro" is also only revealed to be the speech they're giving to the new recruiters in the very final scene, which would suggest it was designed that way....but maybe the original ending was different and they re-shot it?
But, as the guy in your video link says, the way Clooney's introduced when Casey's at his door, it's like he's being gradually revealed, as if it's his first appearance in the film, which doesn't make sense because, with the intro, the viewer already knows the appearance and personality of the adult Frank Walker.
And I would add that, in a similar fashion, the scene when Casey's on the motorbike and uses the drones and breaks into NASA before finally taking her helmet off, feels like it was supposed to be "teenage" Casey's first appearance.
Each viewing just raises more questions!
A good money making idea - only problem is what would the story of this movie be? Aside from Utah, there's only Tyler and the background FBI characters who survive the original film.....wait, maybe Warchild gets out of prison, and now, there's no-one to tell him to back off. Seriously.
Or to speak into the microphone, squidbrain. Maybe he comes after a now carefree ageing surfer Utah as revenge.
And the final twist is that Bodhi comes to his rescue again. Turns out he really did pppahdle to New Zealand.
Joking aside, there wouldn't be much beyond a 50-odd year old botoxed Johnny Utah shuffling round. People would still pay to see it mind.
sorry if I'm replying to an old imdb account here. Thought it was worth answering anyway.
My interpretation is that after Harry gets the signal that Ed only has a pair of sixes, you get an extreme shot of Harry's "reaction" to this - his pupils dilating, which Ed notices. Given that a significant enough amount of time has passed since each player looked at their own cards (including Harry), Ed see's this reaction as Harry thinking "i'm going to pull a major bluff, here goes nothin'", and his subsequent OTT bets further convince Ed of this.
Considering what a major part of the plot losing the card game is, though, it's not very well explained at all.
To answer the OP, Ed could have folded, but that would have meant losing all of his and his friends' money, as I think the 100k and then some was already on the table at this point. And if Ed was convinced by his usually accurate reading of reactions that Harry was bluffing, that would have been another reason to take the loan
.....his teammates take their coach's cue and ostracize Voodoo, culminating in the restaurant scene.
Granted, the guy didn't do himself any favours at times - changing the music at the party and telling Smash that he needed to "climb some trees", but by then he was already disillusioned by life in Dillon with a coach and team who didn't want him. And as he quite honestly stated, he's not there to make friends. Which makes you wonder who those guys accompanying him are at the party and in the restaurant - extended family members maybe?
OK, some of this has been tongue in cheek, but you could actually write the story from Voodoo's point of view - katrina refugee, forced to move to some hick town, mistakenly thought the coach's speech was meant to motivate him when it turns out he wasn't wanted and is now stuck there - and make Taylor and the rest of the Panthers players and staff appear to be the bad guys.
The Ray Tatum Story. I like the sounds of that.
I'd also like to see the story told from Caster's point of view. Or the poor girl who had her hair set on fire by a Panther player in season 3, only for that wonderful Coach Taylor to be more concerned that the offender's parents weren't into football. Way to get your priorities right, oh great leader of men.
Back to the OP - sports dramas tend to need the opponents in the final to be villains in order to up the stakes (rather than just another group of kids with similar qualities). I think that's the only reason they made Voodoo out to be such a monster.
Incidentally, how lazy was the writing - Buddy quite explicitly states that he's gone back to his school in Louisiana, and has admitted to being recruited. A few weeks later - no, another Texas school (who must have been on course for the playoffs by then anyway) recruited him, gave him a swimming pool, and no-one in authority questioned it.
Can you imagine if such a bad and contrived inconsistency had happened in Season 2?! We'd never hear the end of it.
I'm glad someone else has said this. I'm getting ready to start a thread on what a cock Coach Taylor is, and having just re-watched some of series 1, the Voodoo situation is a great example.
First of all, let's look at how he ended up at Dillon. Buddy and Coach go to the motel or whatever where the family are staying, Coach clearly doesn't like what he's seeing and hearing, and when the guy doing the talking mentions a guaranteed starting spot, Coach snaps and says that starting spots have to be earned, wishes the family well and leaves. As far as Coach is concerned, that's the last they'll see of each other, and he proceeds to try to get the players he has firing again - hence the wind sprints.
Unfortunately, Voodoo overestimates Coach and thinks this was some great reverse psychology on his part - what does Buddy say - "your speech worked". The look on Taylor's face immediately tells Voodoo that Taylor was being very linear back at the motel - he was giving the speech because he didn't want him there, further empathised when he continues to use Matt during practise.
Voodoo's possibly the only player who's ever been brutally honest with Taylor, and Taylor clearly didn't like it - in fact, Voodoo's "arranged marriage" analogy was quite brilliant. And, I'm only realising this as I'm typing, his closing line was a great reversal/parallel of the end of the speech Taylor had given him in the motel earlier - just replace "join Arnett Mead" with "start Matt Saracen". It's beautiful.
Come the game, and Voodoo quickly becomes dissatisfied with Taylor's utterly ineffectual play calling - the only time they score is when Voodoo takes matters into his own hands and runs his own play - "look at the scoreboard Coach" indeed. It backfires second time he tries it. Taylor's response is to scream "YOU'RE DONE" in his face in front of all his team-mates, making him the villain in all their eyes - great man management skills.....
well someone's got to reply to this.
Yeah, until the Moe Green scene, John Cazale's virtually an ascended extra.
If anything was going to be great subject matter for a sequel, it would be Fredo and his relationship with the family.
It's interesting that, after appearing so timid and socially inept in New York around the family, and clearly not cut out for the mob life, the turnaround when Michael arrives in Vegas is astounding - he's confident, charismatic, jovial....maybe it was banging all those cocktail waitresses two at a time that really brought him out of his shell...
Anyway, Michael immediately shuts down the party, undermines Fredo and then effectively trashes the life he's spent years building for himself in Vegas by making an enemy out of Moe Greene. This would in all likelihood have sent Fredo into the tailspin that we see at the start of 2.
Did Michael ever think about that? Did he ever once stop to think about that?
One thing that's not explained in 1, or maybe it is in the book, I don't know - where is Fredo between Vito's shooting and release from hospital? I don't see him at the house any time in the aftermath. Maybe he's also in hospital being treated for shock? Sonny says something about sending him to Vegas to rest.
there's a deleted scene which would take place between Tom Hagen leaving Woltz's and the horse's head scene, showing Tom already back at the Corleone residence talking with Sonny and Vito (it also shows Connie and Carlo having a heated argument and Sonny wanting to intervene then) - Tom basically reports back and Vito says something to the effect of "we'll give it to Luca", and THEN they cut back to Woltz's to show the horse's head scene, before going back to the discussion between Tom, Vito and Sonny, in which the topic changes to Sollozzo.
So i guess it's Luca who comes up with the horse's head stunt - must be to express his gratitude at being invited to the house on the day of his daughter's wedding.
I think it plays a lot better without the scene, the way the screams are still being heard as Vito's image slowly appears on screen, the first time we've seen him since the wedding.
just read this on the thread about Michael not quite carrying out the hit as per Sonny/Clemenza's instructions. The post is from 6 years ago but the thread was recently added to which is why I'm only just seeing it:
N the book some of these issues get explained.
"On sitting back down, it was a bit absent minded of him. But he also believed that Sollozzo had a guy there and if he pulled the gun right out he would have been shot immediately. He figured that if he sat down it would seem more natural. And he was right. In the book one of the other diners was a Sollozzo henchman and he got caught unawares. He basically puts his hands on the table to show he will take no action."
Another post a couple of comments down also mentions that Michael didn't come out of the bathroom blasting because he believed Sollozzo may have other men in there so he sat back down to put anyone watching at ease.
I guess that's easy enough to describe in the book but impossible to portray in the movie. Well, difficult, not impossible wahey
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