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Wow. Quite brazen then for them to say that that the teacher "didn't plagiarize his Harvard classmate but that the guy plagiarized him". Think they could have changed up some stuff in the film if they were going to do so but apparently they were too full of themselves to do so.
I know this is a super old thread but I just got done watching the film.
I am fairly positive that Gordo would have gone back to the house to pick up the video/audio evidence and Bateman is left with nothing to prove to anyone...kind of how Bateman left Gordo with all those years ago. Without proof he's going to look awfully stupid "making this all up" to his wife when she's already kicked his butt to the curb. There is nothing that will redeem him now -- and I believe the prior ability showing how easy it was for Gordo to go in and out of houses...well, he'll just go back into the house when Bateman is trying to repair his marriage and now work on keeping a career...Gordo will just use another of his keys and hightail it out of there before Bateman is the wiser. I don't think Gordo is that stupid to leave it there. The seed is planted in Bateman's brain and having to ask the doctors for a blood draw from the baby for a DNA test -- not even sure how that works. Do both parents have to agree to it? But...awkward to Bateman and his perfect narcissist sociopath self and I think the doubt will fester in him which is what Gordo is banking on as well.
And Gordo never raped her. She and him undoubtedly talked more when he was hooking up the computer to the tv and such...so as Bateman pointed out...she was a female "Gordo" in school - so I think they both were sympathetic to each other...and Gordo wouldn't do anything to hurt HER - he opened her eyes and spared her further gaslighting by Simon and also her newborn son. Simon wouldn't have been the doting father - but the controlling and manipulating one. He already had his wife's self-esteem taken away by how he treated her after she undoubtedly had to seek counseling for a miscarriage and was prescribed pills she probably didn't abuse. Or maybe she tried to kill herself as he kept telling her the miscarriage was her fault. Either way...he was gaslighting her big-time.
I know this is a very old thread, but I just saw the film...and I wanted to point something out which I thought was the case.
I don't think Gordo originally set out to ruin Bateman's life. I think he ran into him either by seeing him in the store or maybe following him into there after recognizing him on the street. I mean it was basically close to where they both grew up. I think he was figuring that Bateman would have said, "Oh, geez...I am so sorry for what I did when I was in school...I was an idiot and glad I'm not a jerk anymore...yadda yadda..." but with a sincere apology that was made because he, Bateman, grew up and wasn't like that as he matured. But...Gordo seeing the Gordo/Weirdo note in the kitchen just brought back all bad memories and the realization that the guy was still a jerk in all likelihood. THEN is when he set about getting back at him...but never to get back at his wife as his wife was sympathetic to him and they both probably had longer talks when he came by the few times and all. I mean they weren't going to show all the dialogue when he was hooking up their TV to get it to work and all...but I figure he realized she was a nice person; Bateman, however, was not.
The lure to the rich peoples' house with the audio recorded cemented the fact that he's a horrible person and probably lied his way climbing the corporate ladder.
Gordo also would never have raped her as he liked and respected her too much and never wanted anything bad to happen to her. I also believe that Gordo went back into the house after Bateman was having his hospital meltdown to retrieve the CDs so there was no evidence that Bateman could show his wife. It will just always be in his mind. Does he ask the doctors to do a blood draw so he can do a DNA check? I mean when exactly DO you bring that up to anyone? Or does it fester in your little horrid lying narcissistic sociopath brain? I think it festers. I'm thinking Gordo is banking on that.
Most homes now have a guest bathroom and then one off the main bedroom. I figure that Lucy had a humongous house that had at least two bathrooms if not three or more. Most people would never put their own medicine in any other cabinet than the private bathroom which only they use. I thought it was a bit silly - but it's not beyond the scope of reasoning. People used to do this all the time before having the private bathroom area. And yes, people would rummage through them.
I think it was implied that (or at least I thought)...since he was so good at getting in and out of houses -- he would retrieve the evidence when Bateman was trying to convince his wife to take him back. Without that evidence he's going to look like he's really gone off the deep end to her...IF he even says it. But, yeah...I think Gordo got into his car and took the things back. Bateman didn't exactly pick them all up and put them in his car, after all.
I think that a lot of people didn't catch the subtle clues (some of which weren't that subtle) that he pretty much was Gaslighting her throughout their marriage. I would figure it went down something like this: She had a miscarriage after trying to have a baby...but as she had her much more successful business than he did...him, being the narcissistic sociopath he was...started harping on her about it. In order to deal with it all, she turned for help from a psychiatrist/therapist who put her on some meds so she could sleep at least (she does say to him that those meds she took were only to sleep and that she never took them during the day). At the parties they went to, she clearly abstained from alcohol as i'm sure he made her out to be totally unstable and not able to cope...and how she had to turn to alcohol and drugs...even if she didn't abuse either.
He got a job offer which would force her to leave hers in the city but he "assured" her she could just do it remotely. He had no desire for her to be more successful...and he only climbed the corporate ladder by having made up dirt (as was evidenced by what he did to poor Donny MacDonald) on other people.
Whenever he complimented her...he made sure to follow the line up with something that would resonate that made it look like she would again doubt her mental stability (gaslighting).
Yes, she totally loved him. Yes, she was the female Gordo/Weirdo in school as he even threw that in her face. Heaven knows what else she confided in him that he would periodically throw in her face but I bet there was a lot. I had been married to someone for 28 years, and a good 21 of them he was Gaslighting me. No fun. One day you do "wake up" -- she woke up in time to spare her child the same future.
I saw him in a film I never heard of a couple months ago called "Bad Words". He plays a real jerk in that one...but in a good way and very entertaining. In fact I was surprised as anything that this film even was made considering how everyone can't say anything without people getting bent out of shape.
Anyway...this film was very good as well. I love Bateman being a jerk. :)
I would think that gold weighs pretty much the same as gold. ;)
Actually the original proverb is "you can't eat your cake and have it, too". That was also one of the lines of the Unabomber's manifesto which stood out as Ted Kaczynski's writings and was key to linking it to him. When you really think about it, it makes a LOT more sense in that context than the one we've been led to believe our entire lives.
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002762.html
I totally agree that she couldn't act. I found myself wanting to turn the film off repeatedly because her performance in every single one of the scenes was not a natural way to move or to talk. The way she kept grabbing at her father and her daughter was really disturbing, too. The only thing I can say where I wasn't thinking she was just so unnatural was reading the book. But, even then, I didn't like her voice...but I could let that slide as I've known some people whose voice sounded like that. Hell, I don't like my voice, but I can't really change it. But they made a conscious effort to cast her in this role, which was not a secondary role or anything and I feel it ruined the entire film for me. I didn't mind the little girl, but I thought her staged dialogue was just too ridiculous, even for a methodical killer child. The only one I thought who did a great job was Henry Jones as the caretaker guy. I honesty don't see why this film has the hype that surrounds it. To me it was less enjoyable than a lot of B sci-fi ones of the same era.
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