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- "...Until the entire continent is dead" - one suggestion to deal with the problem was to let the reactor burn out, which would have taken 3 months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptIWmCloxyg (23:18 - in german)
If nothing would have been done to confine the radiation, in these three months the gigantic amount of emitted radioactivity would have spread over the european continent, contaminating and killing everyone and everything
Mister Shellenberger, with all due respect, but you should be ashamed for mocking the pain and suffering and death of probably thousands of people.
I hope you got a good payout for writing this article.
The suffering of all these people cannot simply being wiped away by claiming "there's no scientific evidence" while the evidence is staring in your face. This is the generaltopics of the entire series - ignoring the obvious truth, because it doesnt fit your agenda and by doing so endangering other people. This is contemptous. This is the "cost of lies":
the suffering, the sacrifice and - in many cases - the death of innocent human beings.
There are still details about the Chernobyl catastrophe, which were not mentioned or dramatised in the series:
- A few days after its detection, Hans Blix, the director general of the IAEA came to Chernobyl to inspect the accident site. His appearance is completely left out of the story.
- When AZ-5 could not fully re-insert the control rods, Legasov describes the state of the reactor as a "nuclear bomb". This is scientifically not correct. A nuclear reactor cannot explode in the same way a nuclear bomb does, because the fission reaction inside the fuel rods cannot accumulate a "critical mass", which is necessary for an uncontrolled fission chain reaction resulting in maximal thermal energy release.
- Since the lack of definitive proof about the events leading up to the catastrophe and a lack of knowledge about details of RMBK-Reactors, there are a lot of narratives out there concerning the "Graphite tips" of the control rods. Due to ruptures in the control rod channels, the rods could not be reinserted fully by pressing AZ-5. They were blocked halfway in and stayed in a position, in which the boron part could not yet inhibit the reactivity, but their graphite part accelerated the reaction leading to prompt supercriticality. The graphite portion of the control rods are indeed part of the design and must have been known to the plant workers. Whether this may have lead to problems in the past and if so, whether these problems has been concealed by the KGB as being a state secret is also not fully revealed yet.
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On the contagiousness of radiated people: There's a debate whether contaminated people can contaminate other people.
The information on this topic is controversial. The general idea is, if you are decontaminated quickly enough, the radiation cannot go deep enough inside your body, it remains on the upper layers of your skin, where it can be washed of. If this procedure is also applicable if you are exposed to high radiation levels, is unclear.
These questions arise:
- Why were the bodys of the highly contaminated victims (first responders, fire fighters, plant personell) buried in special zinc coffin and entombed in a block of cement, if their mortal remains do not radiate?
https://www.businessinsider.de/chernobyl-hbo-whats-true-myths-2019-5?op=1 (section ignatenko)
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/all-the-men-and-women-who-marched-to-their-deaths-at-chernobyl-ef98b5c10df ("They were buried in welded zinc coffins to prevent their corpses from contaminating the surrounding soil.")
- There are numerous videos on Youtube, where people went into the basement of the pripyat hospital and took radiation measurements of the firefighters' clothing (which is still piled up on the floor und left untouched since 1986). Their measurements reveal dangerous levels of radiation from the contaminated clothing. So, if contaminated clothing can still radiate after over 30 years, why should contaminated humans do not?
- the plant worker Nikolai Gorbachenko carried his heavily contaminated colleague Vladimir Shashenok through a long corridor (which is shown in the series). By doing so, the plant worker had a severe radiation burn on his back where the hand of his colleague rested.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_involvement_in_the_Chernobyl_disaster (section Shashenok)
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/all-the-men-and-women-who-marched-to-their-deaths-at-chernobyl-ef98b5c10df (section about shashenok)
Unfortunately the article itself allows no comments, so i will post mine here.
It seems the author M. Shellenberger is on the payroll of the nuclear energy industry. He critizes the series for creating unneccesary fear of nuclear power. He cites a lot things the series allegedly did not show correctly or wrongly exxagerates the danger of nuclear energy.
I will name a few claims of his that are simply wrong and itself blatant desinformation.
To state that the Chernobyl accident and the subsequent radiation poisoning did not do any harm to newborn children is a despicable lie. One simple Google search like "Chernobyl birth defects" or "chernobyl ration children" will display hundreds (!!!) of results with articles and photos of deformed babys with having underdeveloped limbs or disfigured
skulls and body parts. Their mothers were pregnant with these children while being in the chernobyl area during or after the accident and were exposed to dangerous level of radiation.
The baby girl of Vasily and Ludmilla Ignatenko did indeed die shortly after the birth as a result of the radiation poisoning. Whether that is a result of Ludmilla visiting her husband and ignoring safety precaution or she and the baby had already recieved too much radiation in the time between the accident and the evacuation of pripyat is insignificant - she lost her child due to being overly exposed to nuclear radiation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_due_to_the_Chernobyl_disaster (search for "ignatenko")
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/09/chance-show-truth-into-heart-of-chernobyl-nuclear-disaster (2nd Paragraph)
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To which scene are you refering? IMO, there was no mistake from walt. walt didnt have to switch back the ricin cigarette into jesse's pack. He prepared a faked ricin-cigarette and put it into jesse's roomba. They searched jesse's house and at last jesse opened that roomba and found it. That solved the mystery for him. Switching back the cigarette into jesse's cigarette pack makes no sense as the narrative was, that Gus stole it to poison the boy with its ricin. On the contrary, if the ricin cigarette would suddenly be in the pack again after jesse looked for it everywhere it would have made him suspiscous and he would have realized that somebody (meaning walt) is playing him.
As it turned out that the boy was poisoned with lily of the valley, jesse was troubled that he might have lost the cigarette somewhere. Thats when walt prepared his fake and conveniently put it in the roomba for jesse to find. The real ricin cigarette was in walts possession the whole time after Huell stole it.
Much later in the season, Huell lifted jesse's weed bag out of his pocket, because saul did not want jesse to be high when he meets the disappearer guy. While jesse waited for the car, he realized that Huell had snatched out the bag without jesse noticing. jesse then deducted that this might have also have happened with his cigarette pack and the ricin cigarette.
If there was a mistake, then it was saul's by ordering huell to lift something out of jesses pocket again.
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