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I, too, loved this episode! The timing was impeccable. My favorite part was [spoiler]Niles doing all the voices, and his surprise at his many roles. His voice for the dwarf character, courtesy of the helium balloon, was the topper for me. [/spoiler] Totally agree. Even though I'm no longer watching, I heard about this. I don't know (or care) what the comics did with Carl, but for me when I was watching the TV show, I saw Carl as the obvious future of the show. I was looking forward to seeing a young Carl grow into a man and lead the group. He grew up in a world of walkers. His dad has been a great role model. Killing Carl was the most stupid thing they have done so far on this show. If it hadn't been for the murder porn (killing Glenn and Abraham), if I were still watching, killing Carl would have been the final nail in the coffin for me. I won't even "hate watch" TWD because I don't want to reward AMC (fuck them) with ratings. Anyone who made it through Season 8 and has now stopped watching? Are people still going to watch Season 9 or have you had enough? My breaking point already happened; have you reached yours yet? Here were some of the original archived newspaper articles and the "official story" as it was reported after her death in 1981: [url]http://documents.latimes.com/natalie-wood/[/url] You're welcome! Yes, there is a lot more to it. With all of the evidence and witnesses authorities had access to at the time that they ignored -- witnesses never interviewed and evidence never collected -- and now they say they have new evidence, but I wonder if it isn't a witness or witnesses who were available at the time yet are only now being interviewed decades later. I think it is amazing! I rate it a 10. "Charles Chaplin made Limelight at the most troubled period of his adult career. In the late 1940s, America’s Cold War paranoia reached its peak, and Chaplin, as a foreigner with liberal and humanist sympathies, was a prime target for political witch-hunters. It did not help that he had recently been cited in an unseemly paternity suit. Pilloried as he was by the right-wing press and reactionary institutions like the American Legion, it seemed that America had turned against the man it had once idolised. "In this atmosphere, his 1947 film, Monsieur Verdoux with its sardonic view of war, was attacked as being anti-American. Not surprisingly, then, in choosing his next subject he deliberately sought escape from disagreeable contemporary reality. He found it in bitter-sweet nostalgia for the world of his youth - the world of the London music halls at the opening of the 20th century, where he had first discovered his genius as an entertainer. "His story concerns a once-famous comedian who has lost the ability to command his audience. Chaplin said that he based the character on real-life stage personalities whom he had seen lose their gifts and their public - the American black-face comedian Frank Tinney (1878-1940) and the Spanish clown Marceline (1873-1927) with whom he had himself worked as a boy. Clearly he was also thinking of his own present bitter experience of a faithless public." Source cited in first post. I know his face, but I cannot remember his name. Maybe this will help jog someone's memory: List of musical comedians: [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_comedians[/url] Not sure which account you're checking but I think I found it. I think this may be what you are looking for. Modern version; heavy synth. k?d Distance (feat. Blair) [url]https://soundcloud.com/whoskid/distance-ft-blair[/url] On YouTube: [url]http://youtu.be/MCSREIAEhSo[/url] These are probably not what you are looking for. Both covers of "Looks Like We Made It" by female vocalists but not with the modern sound that you heard. One by Gail Blanco; short sample here: [url]https://www.whosampled.com/cover/401942/Gail-Blanco-Looks-Like-We-Made-It-Barry-Manilow-Looks-Like-We-Made-It/[/url] The other by Aicelle Santos: [url]http://youtu.be/B2f_1z27wS8[/url] On imdb since 2003. That is one theory. Whatever happened, I hope this time the authorities make a real attempt to find out what happened instead of the coverup that took place after Natalie's death. The attached 17-page document -- full of details that make me wonder why the authorities didn't do their jobs at the time -- makes a good case for other motives. [url]http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/1117_declaration.pdf[/url] I hope they explore all possible angles and solve this case -- there was no excuse for the slipshod police and detective work or for initially closing the case so quickly. Wagner reminded me of the abominable way Ted Kennedy behaved at Chappaquidick in his slow reaction time in involving authorities. And there are strong indications from witness testimony in that document that Wagner threw his wife Natalie off the boat. Yes, he was an alcoholic. Did you see the alternate explanation given for the alcohol found in his system? It sounds at least plausible, worth considering. Agreed; it would be a shame. So much damning evidence that was ignored. I also found this about coroner Thomas Noguchi, who was 89 years old in 2013 when he confessed that he did not get Natalie Wood's fingernail scrapings. This despite evidence that she had tried to cling to the side of the dinghy as it drifted away from the yacht, Splendour. I wonder if she called out? I would think she would have shouted; it was public knowledge she was deathly afraid of drowning in dark water. [url]https://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/robert-wagner-wife-natalie-wood-death-autopsy-mistakes/[/url] So much conflicting information out there. Here is another account that states an eyewitness (actually, two, if we count Captain Davern, although he may or may not prove to be a credible witness) heard Natalie scream for help. At the same time, it posits that coroner Noguchi was fired from wanting to look further into the case (I haven't looked for further information on this yet.) [url]http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/1117_declaration.pdf[/url] deliciousfeet posted this link elsewhere; thought I would add it to this thread as it poses a connection between Natalie Wood's and William Holden's deaths: [url]http://dreamingcasuallypoetry.blogspot.com/2011/12/was-william-holdens-death-accident-or.html[/url] I found this quote especially intriguing, given all of the other information presented at that link: "I just find it very strange that both William Holden who was linked to [Stephanie] Powers (Hart to Hart) and Natalie Wood who was married to [Robert] Wagner (Hart to Hart) both died within two weeks of one another. Both people suffering from suspicious deaths, both examined by Dr. Noguchi and both ruled 'Accidental' when the evidence says otherwise." This is laughable that they waited this long. He is 87 now, and the tragic night happened when he was 43 -- talk about a cold case! I always thought the circumstances were suspicious and that there was more to this tale. Robert Wagner has always been the most likely suspect, though proving murder would be difficult. At least they changed the cause of death in 2012 from "accidental" to "drowning and other undetermined factors." It was puzzling to many that after Natalie Wood's death was initially ruled "accidental," no one seemed to vigorously pursue the case despite so many questions about the case. Wagner was a huge star back in the day. Yes, Comedy Central describes it as a "stream-of-consciousness sketch and variety show." I am a fan of Demetri's stand-up comedy, so I will have to check this out. :) Here is the scene I am thinking of, where it clearly shows [spoiler]the metal underneath his skin[/spoiler]. ****MAJOR SPOILERS IN THIS CLIP!!! DO NOT WATCH IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN MOVIE**** [url]http://youtu.be/u3ebTXeD1Rg[/url]