Just finished The Innocents and I found I liked it more and more with each ep. I ignored this for a long time because I expected it to be more about effects and spectacles than anything else, but instead it's a solid drama with memorable characters, and a little bit of effects here and there. Lots of lovely scenery. Nice soundtrack. Just what I needed for a while. Too bad it ended the way it did. I doubt there's any chance of a sequel. To me this show is an underappreciated gem. I don't think the initial marketing got it quite right or I would have watched it long ago. That was what I was thinking early on. Eventually Adrian's character gets filled in some more though and it becomes clear he just had to have it all his way. Not a hint of blame. If they talked to the police, then his affair would have been unveiled, as he was supposed to be in Paris. For him, that was all that was needed to get the ball rolling. Perhaps it was a little too subtle for some to notice, but I like how Erica grew this season. It pained me to watch her in Season 2, but I was glad to see her character fleshed out with talents and the whole fact she's a closet "nerd" herself, to the point where she's clearly calling Dustin a "nerd" affectionately by the end (though she obviously wouldn't admit it), because they've become friends. I also liked that once she absorbed most of the backstory about the Upside Down, El, etc., she didn't miss a beat helping out. Some folks apparently find the stereotypical attitude thing funny so there's that, but I'm glad there's more to her character now. I have seen a lot of people post that interpretation. I can see why people thought so, but somehow I feel it's just another world in which the same people were brought together in yet another different way. My interpretation is pretty close to the one in this video (except I think she also agrees with you about the previous stuff being part of a TV show within the show, which to her is a level of understanding or ascension): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKi-KyJkfgQ I've always been suspicious about the bridge-jumping scene in S1 and whether OA was really meeting the kids and BBA for the first time, as well. I didn't really get into reading theories until the show was said to be "cancelled" (I don't think it really is). I just always felt that we were "misled" (more like re-directed) about where S1 connects to S2 (and everything else that happens). Personally I don't think it was at the end of S1 that Prairie ends up jumping to the S2 dimension. If S1 leads to S2 anywhere, then I think it was when she jumped off the bridge right after escaping from Hap. What if what happens after the hospital scene is both the end and the beginning of the series (like the message on the door Karim reads in the infamous Nob Hill house)? And I don't think it's the least bit out of place for OA to have memories of things she technically hasn't experienced yet (i.e. teaching the movements to the kids and BBA in the later part of S1) in S2. Elodie demonstrated that you can leave and return to a body in the same dimension. What if OA learned during her quest through multiple dimensions how to do just that, herself? Definitely enjoyed the season, aside from a few quibbles. It'll be a long wait for the final one. I'll check out the story. Thanks. I also found it mediocre. That said, even as a disappointed long-time fan of stories that play around with time, I can see how others might have found it satisfying who just watched it more for the simple story that was there. ^^^ I really only came into this thread to make sure someone answered along these lines. :P It's not the hardest thing to imagine. I suspect the writer who came up with this either knows a particular diner that has martinis and didn't consider it to be an unusual thing, or they just don't know much about diners in general. Limited experience of one kind or another. But again, it's not impossible for a diner to have spirits. She would, but those films were okay as they were, I think. Do you think a remake is necessary? I also appreciate smartly-written, subtle sci fi. Prospect was already on my list, but now I'm more interested in watching it soon, thanks. What other such gems might you suggest (on Netflix)? For what it's worth, I also can't stand procedurals, but while Lucifer certainly has such elements, it still kept me coming back for the character and story arcs. I was also quite impressed the bits of actual world-building going on here and there. I would also like to know. I'm guessing they're talking about the ones playing either Chloe or Linda. Probably Chloe, judging by the age-related talk above. (I did think Chloe was a little stiff this season, but it didn't occur to me something was wrong with her face.) ^^^ Good point. He might have just lifted up a car or something. That probably would have gotten the ball rolling. :') Agreed. I would have liked a bit more story (especially at the end, lol), and they really shouldn't have bothered trying to explain the time travel. That was just painful to listen to... but the setting, characters, and main storyline were endearing. Good kids show (at least for those the parents deem mature enough to handle some blood). Since I made that post, I actually came around to the other position already. I do think they got out, but it could have been ambiguous without mixing signals like that. In any case, I still enjoyed the movie either way. Not a religious cult, but as an inexperienced youth in the 1990s, I once thought I had a job, joining a "direct marketing" (read: door-to-door canvassing) outfit that had a charismatic leader, morning rev-ups, the unreasonable demand to put all your time in (probably something like 10 hours? I can't remember...) I think it was 6 days a week, and still getting paid next to nothing on a bad day and not so great on a "good" day either, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if places like that are still in operation now. I've seen two imDb reviews that specifically reference "network marketing" being exactly what this film is based on. From what they described, Zack is a network marketer and his whole thing that he does is about hawking the Rebirth "not-a-product" line. They say that despite some exaggeration here and there, it's a lot like real life. Scary! I suspect the types of people who could be hurt by the art's "curse" are the very ones who are most fascinated by Dease. And notice that Jon (I think that was the name of the Italian guy who got hung by his tie) was killed even though he never made money off of Dease. He was trying to ruin the sales of Dease, and Morf made a move to do the same but both of them were killed anyway. (I also think part of why Morf was killed was because he went ahead with Josephine's suggestion and wrote a negative review of Ricky's work even though he apparently liked it - not only making him a liar about working from his adoration when he was talking to Gretchen, but making him an analogue of his father's abusiveness and an indirect murderer in Dease's spirit-y eyes most likely.) It's more about corruption and defiling the meaning of the art in how it's handled than it is about who sold it. I doubt people who don't put a huge weight on the value of art would likely be affected by the curse at all. If I'm right, most of the homeless folks who managed to steal some of the art to sell on the street probably wouldn't be affected. Some of the folks who buy it might from them might, though. John Malkovich's character seemed similar to the others at first, and I suspected initially he might go a route where he uses Dease for inspiration and that gets him killed, but instead he returned to the roots of art. Simple expression, the joy in the making of it, and the opposite of what Josephine said: You don't have to show your art to the world for there to be meaning in it. Obviously Dease believed that and I don't think it's an accident Malkovich's artist didn't get caught up in all the Dease madness the art world was engaging in. It's not like he didn't know Dease existed. Similar with the more honest folks at the museum. They recognized there is value in the Dease paintings but they weren't obsessive about it. Not a bad review of the film. My impression was kind of in between theirs. I agreed that the slow burn build up was fun, but I also agreed the ending left something to be desired. (Not that I wanted the football team to jump in, but at least some more details on what the cult was planning and how the resurrection worked might have been nice.) This also mystified me. I've always thought "Both Sides Now" was about life in general and whether or not you're jaded after experiencing its ups and downs. What we saw in the movie (and heard about when listening to Annie talk about her life) was just bleak. The closest connection was hearing Annie talk so bluntly about her mother at times (like the end of the song). But if I were trying to pick a song to either match the mood of the film, or be a counterpoint to it, I wouldn't have picked this one. I was wondering the same thing. I think in the end, dealer's choice was exactly it though. The husband was the most dangerous person in the house to Paimon. ^^^ This was also the impression I just got. Seemed to me the car was slo-mo shattering against the same barrier the birds were repelled by. The touching "death bed" chat (remember the quote at the beginning) about them becoming equals instead of the older brother dominating was meant to be ironic, I thought. Finally they come to an understanding, only to have it erased so they have to start over.