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Cult horror fans know who Barbara Steele is. He indicated that Barbara Steele has a pretty expansive career herself. So, to him, she isn't some Bette Davis knockoff but rather an actress in her own right. I agree with him.
I took from it that the threat of getting killed caused Leia to lose her sanity, which the killer probably felt was a fate worse than death. So, the killer let her live so that they could kill the rest.
A Mary Sue is an artist's self-insertion into a work. I don't really think Adam Wingard or Simon Barrett dreamed of putting themselves in Erin's position. They were merely just subverting artist's usual expectations of the final girl, in that she just happened to be more capable at survival than the assailants were at committing murder.
Erin didn't seem to have the respect or admiration that a Mary Sue usually gets, either. I don't think she was particularly well liked amongst the family. Granted, they didn't even like each other either.\
I think Erin had setbacks. She hurt her leg really bad jumping out of the window, she made questionable moves like throwing the pot of cooled oil at an attacker, and had a lot of luck. Hell, she might be arrested for murder after the credits rolled ("suspect?"). I think she just had the right amount of luck and skill.
Despite the decent budget (for a horror) and solid cast, the film did have its share of issues. It actually originated as a psychological thriller ~ titled "Chimera" ~ with four cast members so there's that feeling of what might have been. By the time it came to filming, the script was changed to make it a slasher which have never really hit home well with critics. Scream only really did well for its smart script and meta approach, but every single slasher that followed were also raked across the coals. Ghost Ship followed suit. There is also the fact that Ghost Ship, as enjoyable as the film is, just doesn't deliver as a horror movie. It's got its fans (I being one of them), but it's just not that scary as a movie.
The only scene that anyone ever talks about is the opening scene, which is regarded in the horror community as one of the best ever. So, it's got that going for it at least.
I hope you enjoy it! I watched mine not long ago and was blown away. It really is an underrated classic.
It's A when compared to Road House 2.
Doudou "Dollars for Africa" Cadillac
11 years later... heh *spoilers*
I think it was Danielle and Christy who were found dead. There was really no evidence to suggest that Danielle survived, otherwise wouldn't they have shown her?
There were times when Sarah seemed rather "final girl" like with her outsider studious tendencies, and then there were other moments where she was creepy as hell and that started even when they were back at the school. Her weirdness wasn't really unnoticed by the other two girls, either. They thought she was stuck up because she was from out east, so she was no doubt the newest addition to their group.
If I had to guess, Sarah was probably an illusion in the minds of the everyone (not just Albert) who met the group over the course of the movie. I was tempted to guess she was just another student who was possessed, but Albert had taken an axe to her at the end and there was a body of a girl missing in the aftermath, so she was definitely otherworldly. But she was an ghostly presence that even the folks at the diner could see.
As far as a motive, the spirit most likely wanted to prove that the "curse" as the psycho father said at the start was inescapable and would draw Albert back to the lake through deceiving ways, even as he tried to lead a normal life away from the location. I believe that Albert did the killings since he was covered with blood.
I'm not sure how Lily's death by wolf attack factors into this, other to maybe guess that they needed to have a death scene early on because otherwise no kills would occur until the final half hour.
A terrific movie. I recommend it every chance I get to my friends.
Good post. I agree, with the exception that they didn't know each other. I think that bit is left completely up to the viewer, mostly because it doesn't really matter much to the story. How I see it is that Marie had two goals: (1) Seize control of Alex and destroy anything in her way to that goal, or (2) saving Alex from herself, which suggests possible good. I'd like to think that the two girls attended school together, which is how Marie fixated on Alex in the first place. If nothing else, their being friends makes Marie at least a little bit sympathetic instead of just being a stone-cold psychopath.
People often say that it doesn't make sense for the head scene to have occurred, or for Marie to have a truck when she rode with Alex on the way to the folk's. I think you are absolutely right that Marie was in the truck, not in the car with Alex, at the start. Hell, she was never invited to Alex's home in the first place... all scenes suggesting this were in Marie's head in the hours before Alex made it home. She would have had the time to imagine them. As Marie daydreamed about Alex during the daylight hours, she's reminded herself of Alex's interest in men and chooses to angrily masturbate, imagining with Alex's head in the process. I think the head symbolizes Marie's twisted mindset that she not only loves Alex, but is angry as fuck at her for being straight and inaccessible. This theory would also explain the truck.
As you pointed, once you start looking at the movie this way, it starts to make a lot of sense and the "twist" feels much less tacked on.
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