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I wouldn't say God's copies in the show and they are as real as any fictional characters can be.
Think it is meant to be sort of parallel earths like the Flash and like season 13. We had Mary in one world made a deal and the Apocalypse happened in the sense Lucifer and Michael had a show down while wearing 2 of the sons of John Winchester, while a third stuck his nose in. In another she didn't and the world burnt because no sons of John Winchester existed. (even though I do think the writing for that was an effort to redeem the Mary we had as a character)
So possibly the show is saying that there are different worlds based on different paths taken. Say one where Dean never left Lisa's loft leaving a 16 year old Sam in John's care because Dean decided he had a right to his own life. One where Sam sent Dean packing when he showed up in Pallo Alto so he was there to fight Brady when he came for Jessica. One where Dean goes to that dance, one where Sam gets eaten by Amy after his first kiss. One where Dean never goes for Sam and finds John before he does a deal with yellow eyes so Sam becomes that TED talk lawyer and Dean basically a hard as nails hunter. Or one where John rationalises Mary's death as a hallucination, doesn't become a hunter and the boys grow up normal. Hell even one where Crowley doesn't do a deal for the extra 3 inches, stays a tailor and so is never there to help the boys in the fight in the Apocalypse and an even wackier on where Sam is Dean and Dean is Sam.
Lots of different decisions made leading to lots of different Sam and Dean's, each valid but different. Just these two know God so he likes them better. Though I suppose it does open up the opportunity at some point in the next season having a council of Dean's or a council of Sam's
Guessing seeing how we got to see apoco world and there is more than one Bobby there is multiple dimensions with multiple Sam and Deans.
But that means that there is only one Chuck to rule them all?
Well the apple doesn't fall far from the tree does it.
Though I don't know about Sam and Dean being angels all along. They've known and seen to much to play that game - can't see Dean as a middle manager, which really is what heaven needs. Jack and either the likes of Anael or even better yet Crowley at his side to run heaven is what it needs - new blood and capability of management.
As for the brothers being are meant to be a greater power. I can see that - even if it is God being a dick and wanting to be entertained by watching the continually Sisyphean 'show' with a couple of guys he can root for.
Hell, even if God is now is essentially playing the long con, the brothers can be meant for a greater power. I say that as him using the brothers to create so much havoc and then himself break the balance that Death and the Empty to have enough band with the brothers and go after him. Basically have it that God has gotten to the point where he wants to commit suicide by Winchester so to speak, cause all he has is ways to entertain himself and he's bored. (Sure he reconnected with his sister - but a highlight was simply going to see Springsteen on Broadway and she's happy in Reno? Hadn't he already seen and done things like that?)
Though in the end for themselves I'd the brothers to 'break the wheel' so to speak - decide they want to end or to stick with humanity even if they didn't go to an afterlife - have them just be reincarnated together so they can make their own choices.
She may go - 'Siblings what are you going to do?' With regards to Reno.
But finding out about her baby great nephew got abused by his grandpa....well she may have something to say about that one. You never know with Amara
Do we know she is happy in Reno for a fact?
I don't know about atheist, but I like how shows like it and Lucifer sort of asking he existential questions such as 'Is God basically a bit of a dick when he wants to be'
Because either Chuck is the big bad or we are about to get a turn around of him manipulating things that Jack replaces him a top of the food chain with better support he had. But either way God is a bit of a dick. But in reality how can he be anything else - what is the point to anything as supposedly as powerful and eternal as God if not to find some way just to be entertained until he doesn't want to be entertained any longer
Thing is, I always took it as God always being the sort of big bad. Even if it was in a sort of 'why the don't you sort your shit out because you are fucking it up for everyone else.' sort of bad.
John was an arse at times but he never knowingly had Sam and Dean to sort out his other problems. God from what we now know created Lucifer, Michael, Gab and Raphael to deal with Amara knocking over his toy box. He had his kids to deal with his problems instead of dealing with it himself.
Then even if he wins he doesn't deal with his problems, he locks them away - Leviathans, Amara and Lucifer. He doesn't end them, he puts them in a box and hides from the consequences or runs from his responsibilities but still wants to be involved in a sense by dipping in and out and justifies it by saying he's a writer. Hell he made people to have free will for...reasons. What were those really - to entertain him. Then he'd get free will trampled on just to get his story going.
Because sometimes I can't help but ask did John and Mary really love each other, did they really choose to be together? We have seen how screwed up they were without each other but we've seen that in the show with beings forced to be in love. Now I get they maybe in heaven together in the show but I remember that cherub saying that John and Mary hated each other before the angels stepped in. So would John and Mary have entertained even sitting in the same coffee shop if it wasn't for God's story needing them to bump uglies back then?
That is why I sort of always took it that for God was always out to protect how he entertained himself in a way. From his justifying how he set things up,(then getting bored and deciding he was watching from the side lines or LARPing as Chuck). Then there was how he acted when others took to the consequences of him being entertained not as shits and giggles (Lucifer) and lastly what to do when things could possibly stop him being entertained - ie Amara and Jack.
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It probably would have been allocated to her for her work as if Stark was the one who found it it would have found its way to SHIELD and they would have had to release it.
I'm guessing though that after the crash and deaths of 'Lawson' and Danvers probably would have lead to the humans at the base thinking it was destroyed when the engine went up.
It's feminist in the sense that Carol Danvers and Maria Rambeau both got on with it and didn't let jibs from others stop them. That and when Yon Rogg tried to goad Danvers into a physical fight at the end she didn't fall for it because she didn't need her mentor's approval.
That is the only thing that can remotely be claimed as feminist and it works in terms in plot. But those who want to see some sort of agenda just have major issues.
Darnley was a better choice than Dudley, but Elizabeth could have supplied better options than her master of horse.
Moray's nose would have been put out of joint by anyone Mary married and if the man in question was seen to be capable things would have come to a head sooner than they did with Darnley as there would have been less argument not to give the man Mary married power over national affairs instead of keeping him King consort. Also by marrying Darnley someone who was in line to both the Scottish and English thrones was in Scottish hands and not English ones and although he was raised Catholic, Darnley himself didn't seem to value Catholic rituals and was influenced by Protestantism (he didn't attend mass with Mary after they were wed). So could have been seen by both Catholic and protestants as a compromise in the mind of Mary.
However, if she had married Dudley the Scottish people would not have suffered an Englishman on the throne if there was taint to him such as him jumping from the bed of one queen to another, especially if those in the pulpits could argue he was only ennobled for such a task.
One was capable and the other a fool but sometimes using the fool holds off the inevitable and Moray's nose was out of joint because he put pride above his nation. He could have easily controlled Darnley but he wouldn't have had a hope in hell's chance of doing with Dudley even if he did feel they were working towards similar goals.
As for the Treaty of Greenwich, this was only agreed after the death of James V and the Earl of Arran went slower than a snail before him with Mary of Guise killed it. It was dead before it got out of the water and England did not need to scorch the earth at a time when it had other means to deal with France. As for not keeping Mary hostage, part of the treaty of Greenwich was Mary to live in England and be raised by English lords until she was wed - royal practice but it was also a practice of keeping parties in line.
Mary and Elizabeth were coming off two completely different situations.
Elizabeth got more of a free pass off her nobles for four huge reasons. It gave her more freedom to do what needed done for England
1) She was the same faith as the majority of them.
2) They had just come off the reign of her sister, her brother, Lady Jane Grey and Henry
3) It was only 2 generations from the war of the roses and no-one was willing to go through that again.
4) England was the more modern nation - it had a better idea of nationhood going than Scotland did who was stuck in a more feudalist mentality which put religion and feudal loyalty above country.
As for marrying Darnley instead of Dudley - well Darnley played better to the Scottish nobles/calvinists more than rumoured cast off of Elizabeth, while complying with the conditions set as he was born in England. Not to mention his stronger claim to the English crown than Mary and the fact that at points during her time at the English court Darnley's mother was considered to be a Princess of Scotland as she was the daughter of the Queen of Scotland (Henry VIII sister).
Also the Scottish parliament was right to break the Treaty of Greenwich, shown by the rough wooing. England's reaction was a almost a decade's long war, showing Henry's intent was to not only close off the back door for French troops but to also essentially absorb Scotland politically into England. Something the common Scots would have revolted against.
Remember both Catherine of Aragon and Anne of Cleeves were princesses in their own right, but after their marriages were annulled neither were returned to their respective nations. You honestly think that the Scots didn't look at those situations and get that if Mary married Edward they'd be handing over their Queen to a nation that was never handing her back if anything happened to her husband and therefore handing their nation away too.
Oh and did Jamie actually ask her who did it? What they looked like? Claire also said that Bree was raped after Roger MacKenzie left. Lizzie fingered Roger by calling him MacKenzie. Jamie then went out there out of a sense of vengeance. Something that wouldn't really help Bree, something he sort of counselled Bree against. But what does he do he beats the crap out of the guy who he thinks attacked her, protecting her honour, her virtue, her pride. Sorry those are things she had the right to decide about, she has the right to decide if the guy gets beaten not Jamie.
Plus slavery? Selling anyone into slavery is a dick move, even if like Ian said they are honourable and eventually adopt the person into the tribe. Though if he thought Roger was a rapist why exactly did he sell him to a bunch of people that according to Ian treat their slaves nicely?
I don't think they would have been unhappy, I think if they could have gotten through him not being able to have children they would have been okay.
I did still feel sympathy for him, huge amounts after I got the timing of everything and got why he talked to Claire about Bree coming with him after we saw more of their relationship.
But not only that after down the rabbit hole, well... the request for a divorce is after knowing Claire goes back to Jamie and him finding the obit. So he knows Claire is going, he doesn't know what is happening to Bree, if Claire is going to take his daughter to a time where she would have been in danger at worse but have her options limited in ways he couldn't take. Or just leave Bree in Boston on her own - which in a way Claire did. Going with him would mean he's guaranteeing Bree would have had someone when Claire went. Plus he had the accident almost straight after and it looks like he was upset and drunk. I took it he was cutting his loses with Claire, trying to mitigate the pain for Bree and as hurt as hell as he know Claire somehow is going back to Jamie.
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No she has the right to be more pissed. The guy she loves had been beaten up and sold as a slave then she had been called a lying slut because Jamie was going over in his head that he beat a man to a pulp over her attack. She'd kept her mouth shut about it being Bonnet to ensure that Janie wouldn't blame himself for her attack but when threw the chair
Well it had stopped being about her rape and more about his hurt pride and his hypocrisy because he didn't have all the facts. Mind he had talked to Bree about how killing her rapist wouldn't make it better for her.
She's the one with the right to be a little more ticked off in that situation. She got violated and the man she cares for got hurt for it when Jamie didn't need to beat him and could have done something else like bring him to Bree to ask if she wanted the vengeance they had talked about earlier.
Well if Mexico won't pay, shouldn't it be hopes and prays to deal with this.
Isn't that the FAIR response to any other domestic issue in the US?
I never took it there was a heroine or even hero. Just a lot of people jostling for their own gain.
Anne is to be pitied if anything. She didn't have the capability to be Queen. But out of Abigail and Sarah, Sarah actually seems to have some sort of care for Anne as a person even with her wanting to cling to position, where as Abigail just seems to see Anne as a way to position
Yeah it would have been.
Maybe it is the budget but maybe it is Chibnell's Northern thing?
I get that he's done the Northern Doctor but does everything regarding this season have to centre around Sheffield?
Now I'm not complaining that the modern stories are being set outside London but if the point was to expand the program but at least when Moffat and Davis had the doctor coming to a geographic area more than once and it was linked to the companion there was a bigger arc forming without ramming it down our throats.
ie Rose and Bad Wolf
Amy's crack in the wall and later just visiting the Pond's
Donna being the most important person in the world.
Clara being the impossible girl
The Doctor coming back to the University because that was where he was holding Missy
But why have the Doctor continually come to the North of England this time and them making a point of us knowing it is the North of England. What is it with the weird stuff happening there when it never seemed to before? There doesn't seem to have any arc for Yaz, Ryan or Graham this year that explains it.