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The biggest missed opportunity in the entire franchise...
The opposite of typical Hollywood assemblyline junk--this movie is ART (Spoilers)
Why no Superman??
I miss the immediacy of conversational, back-and-forth posts.....
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"Simpletons". LOL. I'll just leave that one alone. It speaks plenty without me needing to address it.
And YOUR old retort: "Just because it's a fantasy genre doesn't mean general, established rules of what mankind is and is not able to do, plus laws of gravity, laws of medicine, etc....don't apply", doesn't really work here. I'm sure you've used it many times.
My point is not: Abandon the rules of what is and is not possible. My assertion is simply....Carol had a machine gun, and had the element of surprise on those guys. She easily could have dispensed with them. A couple of you bullet-counters get all uptight about it because of things like....her gun angle? Whether or not the ceiling could have supported her? LOL. Again, you choose to get uptight about inconsequential details, and miss the forest for the trees. And you call it "lazy writing". How ironic....because THAT is one of the "laziest" IMDB (and now MovieChat) complaints ever written. It is trite and has been rubber-stamped countless times. Though MOST people don't bother....because most people really don't CARE if the "gun angle" was fully feasible. They realize she had a machine gun, and had the jump on those guys. If the details of the scene were not executed well enough to your liking, maybe this really is not the show for you. When you watch a Chuck Norris movie, all of the general rules of physics and the human condition are in play.....but let me break it to you: fights don't look like that. They aren't perfectly choreographed with perfect, clean punches and loud "pop" noises each time a blow lands. Yet someone like you would, if you're being consistent, would complain that we deserve a more realistic fight....sloppy, glancing blows, more misses than hits, immediate broken noses and blood, and complete exhaustion after about 60 seconds.
When it comes to TWD....or ANY action show or movie where there is gunfire, things get understandably unrealistic. For starters, there's simply not enough time...within a 40 minute show, to show lots of misses and failed standoffs, lots of reloading, misfires, etc. We also don't see them eat or poop. In a 40 minute show, you have to glance over the details and get to the action. In a Chuck Norris fight (or ANY movie fight), people don't want to see a lot of sloppy grappling that ends in an exhausted draw....even though that's how most real fights go. You just kinda have to...."forgive" that stuff. Forgive perfect head shots. Quit counting bullets. Or, move on.
Carol shot the bad guys with a machine gun and the element of surprise. That's all you really need to accept about that scene. If you nit-pick the details of it....you may as well nitpick everything from....the likelihood Martin Riggs could have survived that fall out the hotel room window into a swimming pool....to John McClane falling down the elevator shaft and yet being able to grab onto the opening during his fall and pull himself up into it.
Man, you must be a lot of fun at parties.
We're talking about a show in which the dead....walk.
And yet we can't suspend disbelief enough to just assume there was a way Carol could have killed those guys with a machine gun? We can't forgive that she may not have had the correct angle to have achieved the shot trajectory that she did? (Really?)
She easily could have accomplished the act of shooting those guys. They didn't NEED to spoon-feed us with the details of how. In the bigger picture, she had a machine gun, and caught them by surprise. I'm not going to nit-pick the details of that. It's like nit-picking whether the guns show enough recoil....or people who count how many bullets were fired from a handgun ("hey, that was one too many bullets!"). You people miss the forest for the trees. Put the calculator down....REMOVE your thinking caps....put your feet up for an hour....have an Eggo....and just watch this graphic novel play out. Really, you're overthinking it.
I think it would be great to show a flashback of Negan, pre ZA....and have him be something like a school teacher, or a therapist. It would be cool to see him in a completely docile, caring role. And, it would show how he was able to use his charisma to gain followers. Or....go completely the other way with it. He is a leader of many in the ZA. But perhaps in the pre-ZA world.....he was a short order cook. I think it would be cool to delve (just a little....I'm talking one 5-minute scene) into Negan's past, to get a better understanding of what makes him tick.
Well said, carjones.
Plus, they ask questions they fully know the answers to.
"Why didn't they just shoot him then and there?!"
Answer: Because they'd rather draw out the Negan arc instead of just having him get shot in the first new episode of the season. (But I think people already understand that)
If someone is lonely enough, they will develop a connection to anything. A cat...a plant....a........volleyball. Look at Joaquin Phoenix's character in Her.
Joi had artificial intelligence. She had a personality. She could think, respond, reply and express. Including, as we found out....love. One can assume her AI and ("personality") increased with time and exposure to K (almost like a pet can grow more and more intelligent and attached to its owner, and vise versa).
It's easy (and rather knee-jerk) to just write Joi off because she was not fleash & blood. She was yet another part of the overall existential questions being raised in the movie...about what it really means to be human. I think...therefore I am?
The connection K and Joi had was real, and Joi had more love (and "soul") than any actual humans in his life. Stretch yourself a little. Suspend some disbelief. Otherwise, why even bother going to a sci-fi movie?
LOL...einstein. You are your own worst enemy. Keep typing, man. You can't get out of your own way. And it's guys like you that killed IMDB. Nothing substantive at all to say....just complaints and negativity. Quite a life you've carved out for yourself.
The original BR had the enormous advantage of being first (obviously). We'd never seen anything like it before. So it created a hypnotic and fascinating new world. Plus, if you're like me...you saw it at a young and impressionable age, so it really just had an extra impact on you--and it stayed with you.
Whereas the sequel....had the built-in disadvantage of coming second, after we've already seen the cinematic magic of the first. The bar is high and expectations have been set. There's practically nowhere a second movie could go but down--when compared to the original. That all said....
I was pleasantly surprised with just how well they did with the sequel. It had just enough little touches, little grace notes, to really move me. And it's funny....mt FIRST impression, upon walking out of the theater was: It was really good (albeit long), with moments of brilliance. But after I had 24 hours to really let it sink in--the movie stayed with me. A day later, I wanted to make plans to see it again--to have that cinematic "experience" a second time (this time in 3-D IMAX). There are VERY few movies these days I'd make an effort to go and see (and PAY) to see a second time. This is definitely one of them.
It's interesting how opinions vary on this movie. For me, I liked the sequel better than the original. It had a much longer running time, and yet the first one is the one that really seems to drag for me. Not much really happens in the original, there are long dry spells, and the plot doesn't require much thinking. However, the final scene with Roy Batty's speech: perfection.
With the sequel, there were some extremely gratifying little grace notes along the way. Sinatra's "Summer Wind" playing in the background of K's apartment. Heck, the Sinatra hologram, emanating from a retro jukebox, in an abandoned Vegas casino. The sepia hues and barren landscapes. The bizarre, gigantic nude statues in the wasteland. The use of winter snows and water. The Treasure Island quote. The scene with Joi once the eminator allows her to walk outside in the rain and "experience" a taste of living. And really.....ANY scene with Joi was mesmorizing, like the "sharing" love scene. And the most heartbreaking, when she made a plea to be spared, and lunged at K to try and embrace him as her last words were to tell him she loved him.
The cool, fearless calm K had in the face of Bautista in the opening scene. The cold, empty loneliness of K's apartment.
The irony that Deckard's daughter (the very "birthed" replicant Wallace had been seeking) was a distant employee of his the whole time. The sad irony that Joi was a hologram, and yet had more soul and love than any "human" in K's life. The poignant and ultimately tragic hope K had that perhaps he indeed was born, and therefore had a soul....and the memories he had were real afterall. And his slow shutting down on the steps, as the snow fell on his blank, yet soulful stare into the graying sky.
It was just a really, really cool and poignant cinematic "experience". I'd think I was the oddball in thinking of this movie in this fashion, but enough other people had the same reaction to kinda validate. Some people just really kinda "got it". But it's definitely not for everyone.
I agree, everyone has a different interpretation of art. But for someone to just blanketly dismiss a movie like this as "Hollywood plastic", with no points to substantiate it? Well, that's just a sophomoric comment, isn't it? At least attempt to make a few points and present a few examples to back up your point of view. Otherwise, the opinion lacks any credibility. It's like it was written by a kid just looking to troll.
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