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Excellent. But People Seem To Be Missing The Point


Why didn't the customers try to escape, fight back, etc?

Because they didn't want to. They were bored of life. Tyler was the most severely affected by this staggering ennui, hence he was told up front that he would die. And he was fine with that.

The others clung to the notion of wanting to live but in truth... they simply didn't want to.

When the passion is gone, why continue? (I'm tempted to suggest that it's a metaphor for western civilisation as a whole but that might be a little pretentious).

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Not really sure that reasoning applies to the wall street guys though. I could see that working for Leguiziamo and the older couple, and maybe arguably, the food critic.

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They attempted to smash the glass and make a genuine attempt to run for it, so you could argue they were the least accepting of their fate, but even they were ultimately willing to die.

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Definitely disagree with you there. They weren’t willing to die at all. They just didn’t see a way out against the odds. They still should’ve tried though.

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Nah, disagree they weren't willing

First, they obviously WERE willing in the end, but that's a cop-out on my and the OP's part

They were cheating the system precisely because they found no joy in the legitimate work they were doing. They were going through the motions of a "high life" that they THOUGHT they wanted, but weren't really living at all

So yeah, the wall st. guys did want to die, or at least they were getting nothing of value from their lives

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Yes, clearly at the end, they were willing to die. You see them not only not trying anything (like ordering a cheeseburger to go), but also paying for their bills, saying thank you, and even "we love you chef".

It's a little jarring because seemingly nothing really significant transpired between when they thought they were being rescued and when they became willing to die. Margot leaving with the cheeseburger wasn't something the rest of them really engaged in, and while they may have lost hope after the Coast Guard guy turned out to be a cook, you'd think at least some of them would've attacked, panicked, or at least not thank and say they loved the chef.

But this is explained early on, that they wouldn't understand until they had been served all of the courses. So be it brain-washing or a meal experience convincing them that the world would be better off without them, or whatever, they became willing to die when the S'mores were being served.

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I'm beginning to suspect that, like Tyler, they were also informed that they were going to die.

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I disagree with you there ... only Tyler knew (although reasonable minds could differ)

Part of the whole process was forcing the participants to come to terms with how valueless their lives really were and how little they truly wanted to go on living

Ask any of them if they wanted to survive, and their reflexive response would be "hell yeah!"

The dinner experience was intended to force them to realize the truth (and it succeeded)

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That was the weakest part of the whole movie. You can see where they wanted to go but they didn’t know how to get there.

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Yes. Dying by fire is how I'd choose to go...

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Exactly! It's one thing to contemplate suicide because of the ennui of it all and your perceived worthlessness, but why kill yourself in the most brutal, painful means possible?

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spot on

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Willing to die is one thing but willing to sit there and burn alive — an incredibly horrific death — is another.

The fact that people just let someone kill them in movies or shows instead of fighting back has always pissed me off. Even in this one, they should have fought back and died by gunshot — a quicker death — than go up in flames.

I also don’t believe they’d sit there quietly while it happened. It’s humanly impossible. They’d all be running and screaming in unimaginable pain, including the staff.

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They WANTED to suffer

They all hated themselves and their respective lifestyles

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