Men should make a movie call Promising Young Man.
Women make false accusation ALL THE TIME to ruin promising young man:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TzTCWfiRew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkLZ6A0MfHw
That would be a documentary
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A woman is raped , for definate , on film, in a fictional movie....
..and you're saying she's lying?
what chance does that give any real women ?
Oh my God, the irony...
You do realize that the title of the film is taken from "Promising Young Man", right? It's a common phrase that often used to defend rapists. This was what they kept calling Turner Brock, among many others.
Yes, there are many false accusations, but how is that make sexual assault okay?
"It's a common phrase that often used to defend rapists"
Disagree, it's a phrase used to defend people accused of being rapists. I have yet to see a single case of someone using the phrase to defend a proven rapist.
https://youtu.be/MvUdyNko8LQ?t=78
I'm pretty sure one of the family or friends of Turner Brock also said something similar.
Thanks for the link but I'm still not seeing it used to defend their actions, more as a description of their circumstance ie they previously had promising futures that are now flushed down the drain after their crimes.
shareYeah, which is one of the points of the movie.
Like that reporter, most attention would be put on the accused, while the victim is put aside. The reporter seems eager to talk about how the conviction would affect the young men's lives, but not even once mentioned the girl's future.
Well to be fair they were reporting on the legal case that had just ended so the focus was on the result of that case.
share I'm still not seeing it used to defend their actions,
way to nitpick man!
it was a slightly inaccurate choice of words.
The phrase is used to mitigate and plead for a lesser sentence, not as a "defence"
"I must add that this promising young man has never been in trouble before and this would ruin his chances of getting into MIT , your honour"
So people are saying "rape is ok because these were promising young men"? No they're not are they, ergo not used as a defence. This is really basic stuff.
shareagain ... nitpicking
The word "defence" can be interpreted as everything said by your lawyer ,even if its
"My client pleads guilty because he did it , please dont give him a custodial sentence because his kids will starve"
Maybe you guys should stop the crying about due process then and people wouldn't need to nitpick stupid shit. WTF do you think lawyers will do for their clients? Stop acting like the phrase excuses the actions because no one in their right mind thinks like that. No one says about a proven rapist "well he was a promising young man so it's all ok let's forget all about the rape" so stop acting like they do.
sharedo you think the discussion has gone a little off course here?
Firstly I (and Gantz iassume) are sure as hell not defending any rapists in any way under any circumstances.
Youre the one arguing about semantics.
I'm just saying , as is the title of the film , that that phrase is often used in court .
Lawyerrs defend the undefendible allt he time (and for some reason they are lauded and well paid for this treachery) we are just reporteing some of the methods they use .
again , just to be clear . i in no way agree with this.
Another thing , you said
I have yet to see a single case of someone using the phrase to defend a proven rapist.
isnt that an oxymoron?
how does one defend someone proven guilty?
Replace "defend" with "excuse" and stop being a hypocrite over semantics - and again, stop crying about due process. Innocent until proven guilty whether you like it or not, THAT is why lawyers have to defend.
shareI'll actually slightly disagree with you here. It depends on the exact circumstances. If a girl willing goes to a guys room when she is drunk and passes out, and he has sex with her while passed out, that is not the same thing as violently raping a girl in a dark alley. Technically both are rapists however.
Now while the guy in the first instance may have been acting like a creep, should his entire future be destroyed for one mistake he made when he was 18? This is the kind of situation where the phrase would be used to excuse his actions. And it's not an unreasonable argument.
It's a false equivalency though. A victim of rape may have psychological trauma, but their future still depends on how they handle it.
A guy who is thrown out of university and even worse put in jail for 10 years based on a false accusation has his entire life ruined, regardless of how he handles it.
Which would you prefer, to be sexually molested while you were passed out once, or spend 10 years in jail and never have a decent career for the rest of your life?
I find the title and premise of the film is belittling the ordeal of men who have had their lives ruined. As if there is anyone who does not have sympathy for genuine rape victims? Seriously? I see plenty of people who show no sympathy for men who have been falsely accused. There are even feminists who claim that all men are guilty and deserve to be punished. I'm not joking.
That's a loaded question, why must we choose between the two? Wouldn't it be for the best if neither case happened?
Rape is a rape, and false accusation is a false accusation. Why should how we treat one depends on the other?
Personally though, as a man, I find false accusation cases worse than rape cases. Because like how you mentioned, someone innocent who is charged with rape can spend decades in prison, while someone who wrongly accused others of rape doesn't spend as much time in prison. That is something that needs fixing.
I disagree with you on the movie belittling victim of false accusation. Because the movie is not about men who is wrongly accused, the movie is about a man who gets away with rape and the culture and community that supported him.
Feminists that are anti-men is abound nowadays, yes, fuck 'em. Again, just because one extreme side is wrong doesn't mean that the opposite extreme side is right.
I just saw the trailer, and there was a scene with her talking with a woman in an office. It was belittling the impact of false accusations. I don't think false accusers face any consequences as far as I know.
shareBrock Turner
share"all the time" lol, yeah right. And no, I'm not clicking on your links that I'm sure are from some MRA channel.
shareThey already made multiple “documentaries” of it.
shareAlso, can we divide GOOD men into BAD ones, or even say, really IGNORANT ones, and not place ALL of them into ONE category and neither, say, the same for women in any way? Or do most of us, as people, in a matter like this especially, don't look at it from a category of "good" or "evil" or "stupid" or "ignorant"? Oh and you say we shouldn't just ignore them or teach them a lesson but, they should have a right to express themselves by making a movie?
share?
shareGood guys versus bad guys? Good versus evil? Ignorant and stupid versus rational and normal? Or do we not see it all in that kind of errrr SIMPLE WAY anymore? If we did, maybe the title of this thread wouldn't be - "Men" should make a movie... but something along the lines of how - well, maybe those types of people, who OK happened to be also men, should just knock it off and go study quietly, that is - if they haven't turned into evil villains or totally stupid ignorant people, like, what should be done then, instead of recognizing their legitimate rights and say they should make movies? Or does shaming here, even if they deserve it, not work?
shareDo you know why they are "documentaries", not "movies"?
Like what women did to Mike Tyson and Kobe Bryant.
Because in reality it's very easy for women to framed men for rape and get a convict. The scenario in this movie won't happen in real live, therefore women make "movies", men make "documentaries."
Next post you’ll be defending OJ
share" The scenario in this movie won't happen in real live"
so you think all womemn are making all rapes up in order mess up the lives of innocent "promising young men" ?
I'm saying in real live a woman makes a accusation like that would get men fire or prosecute or jail.
In the movie, a woman makes a accusation and... nothing happen to the man, hahaha, what a naive female director/writer.
Done and done: Deliverance (1972)
share"A red-pilled man pretends to be a feminist to lure women into his home and make them watch 'Brian Banks', a movie about a man falsely accused of rape, laughing hysterically after having gotten his revenge."
I don't think there would be much demand for a movie like that.