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Is it wrong for a man to have children as friends?


I am a middle-age childless man, and I grew up without having much of a childhood, just like Michael Jackson. Is it wrong that I want to relive those years, but this time doing all the stuff that I missed back then, what should a man in my position do, without being creepy or suspected to be a pedophile, how can I befriend children, play and have fun with them?

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Why not try a little experiment. Tomorrow when you go into work, tell everyone with kids that you just love boys aged 7-12, and would like to make a best friend of one, and have him over for sleepovers where you can give him wine and show him porn. And that you'll gladly put his parents up in a guest house, because they're not invited to your childhood-recapturing pajama party.

See how everyone reacts.

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Tomorrow when you go into work, tell everyone with kids that you just love boys aged 7-12, and would like to make a best friend of one, and have him over for sleepovers where you can give him wine and show him porn.

You got it all wrong, I'm not sick and trying to take advantage of boys with alcohol and porn.

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Really? Some of Jackson's defenders on this board think that getting little boys away from their parents and giving them wine and porno videos was perfectly normal, even unworthy of comment.

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Probably because most kids have already seen porn already these days, I saw with my own eyes, kids in the park who watched porn on a smartphone and were giggling...
Some parents also show porn to their kids, for educational purposes, they consider it's better this way, than to have some stranger show them porn for the first time.

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I dare you to tell your co-workers with kids exactly that!

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Is the OP one of your sock sock puppet accounts pretending to be a well intended defender of the truth? Your thoroughly disproven claims of alcohol and pornography being given to children just further shows how little credibility there is these accusations where sick, biased, agenda fueled people have to rely purely on flat out lies, rumors, their own sick conjecture & innuendo to justify this obvious sham. Your sordid opinions on this issue are consistently as others like yours little more than hate filled trolling. Facts be damed.

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I have no sock accounts.

And the "Jesus juice" and porn things have been around for years, as well as other creepy and inappropriate behaviors with young boys. Although if you're absolutely determined not to believe them I'm sure you'll find a way.

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Yes i have a tendency to disbelieve things that have been thoroughly disproven in a court of law while biased, hateful trolls like you simply ignore facts that don't support your sick narrative.

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Uh, having a defendant found "not guilty" does not mean that absolutely everything that was said about him in court or in the media is proven to be untrue. That's not how it works.

Yeah, yeah, go ahead and rant about it all. You won't convince a single person, that's not how that works either.

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Anyone can easily see through your trolling "Because i say so" logic or lack thereof.

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"If it doesn't fit, you must acquit!"

I used to be up on all of this when I'd argue with the folks on the IMDb MJ board. You may have been there. Your arguments are textbook. But the other posters have a point -- that's exactly the excuse that MJ used, that he missed out on childhood, and therefore what he wanted to dow was perfectly normal.

Okay, leave out the Jesus Juice and the porn (they were "art books") -- if the fellow said to his co-workers with children that he wanted to take some of their children home for sleepovers, and asked them if they would be okay with it, do you honestly think any of them would say it was okay? What if he bribed the mothers with jewelry? What if he couldn't afford it, but just kept saying he just wanted to play hide and seek like he always wished he could do?

He would at the very least be told that he needed to work out his issues. Or maybe he could "identify" as a six year old like some middle-aged man in England. But no, no one would say it was okay unless he was worth millions, had millions of fans, had once been the biggest pop star in the world, and could dance hypnotically while hiccuping his way through songs and grabbing his crotch a lot. Oh, yeah -- and claimed to have vitiligo and was proud of his African-American heritage, but unlike others who had vitiligo and were proud of his African-American heritage, he chose chalk white makeup instead of makeup like his natural skin color.

It's amazing what you can get by with when you're famous. They'll let you have kids for sleepovers. You can morph from a black man into a white man while still claiming to be a proud black man. You can pay off mothers left and right. And anyone who suggests you're a pervy freak has a million or more rabid fans to deal with. It's sweet!

Please.

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OMG...

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In case you're childless not because of some physical trauma but as a result of your free willing (or several free choices you made throughout life) - you should accept it and not compensate with actively seeking friendship of somebody else's children.

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It's not wrong but it's highly suspicious

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I have a lot more sympathy for you than Otter does, but I'm afraid to say that even if your intentions are entirely pure, it would not be remotely wise or healthy for you to become intimate friends with children. At best people will have their suspicions and concerns about your intentions.

My other concern is about where the line blurs between simply wanting to play and have innocent fun with children, and something more sinister. Your intentions might start off as pure, but it's possible, as might have been the case with Michael Jackson, who I don't believe had sexually predatory feelings towards children from the start (irrespective of what may have later transpired), that you eventually become 'too familiar with them', so to speak, and lose sight of the social barrier we, quite understandably, place between adults and children.

Adults, unlike children, have undergone puberty, and unless they are entirely asexual, they are naturally sexual creatures. That is why even those adults who believe they have entirely innocent feelings towards children should probably not be left alone to spend time with other people's children unless there is a reasonable and legitimate purpose for them to be in their presence (i.e. they're a teacher or they're babysitting). It's hard to know what can transpire between adults and children where those social barriers break down.

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The problem with society today is, everyone is suspicious of everyone else's motives. They're always looking for boogeymen (such as pedophiles) when there might not be. Not all men are child predators, but there's no way to know for sure, because the real ones are sneaky and good at fooling people. Unless the parents of the children know you personally, it's very suspicious for a lot of parents who don't.

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It's a tough question. In some cases, children have crappy parents and bad role models at school, so it creates this impression that adulthood is where people become bad people. I think teenagers having adult friends can help with the anxiety a lot of kids have with growing up.

So good, positive role models with nothing untoward can be highly beneficial to a lot of kids. Sometimes you just can't get the kind of role model you need from your parents or school teachers.

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Why not have children of your own?

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Yes. Sorry about you situation, but that's the behavior seen from child Predators. Their parents should be around.

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