A question for Jackson's defenders:

As another poster said to me, you really have to see it for yourself to understand. She was right. Yes, there's a lot more to the story. A lot.

Before I watched it, I basically thought the same thing as you do now, that he was a very weird, very talented guy. I left room open for the possibility that he was a child molester, but thought more likely than not, he wasn't.

What I wasn't prepared for was how shaken up I was by this, and I wasn't even a big fan.

Since then I've done a lot of research, sorting through the chaff to get to the wheat. An undeniable pattern has emerged. I'd heard child molesters groom their victims, but really didn't understand exactly what that meant, or much about the experience and behaviour of victims. Now I do.

Yes, two men have come forward and said for the first time Jackson molested them when they were kids. They had filed a civil lawsuit against the estate 6 years ago, and no dollar amount was mentioned. It was dismissed because the statute of limitations had run out. They're appealing. I doubt they'll get an appeal, so it's unlikely they'll get any money for this. Meanwhile their lives and their families' lives are a wreck.

MJ has only been tried once, and there was an unannounced raid on Neverland. They found an extensive porn collection. (No child porn.) There were witnesses who testified against him. So to say there wasn't a shred of evidence isn't correct.

Molesters don't molest all kids. There's an extensive grooming process they put the kids and their families through first.

https://meaww.com/michael-jackson-biographer-evidence-proves-james-safechuck-wade-robson-neverland-allegations-false

Fortunately facts don't give a f*ck about gut feelings & innuendo & the facts are saying these two extortionist scumbags are lying through their teeth .

Everybody trusts children, but I wouldnt trust a man who behaves the way Jackson did for a New York minute.

Why on Earth are you so gung-ho about defending him?

Putting the molestation aside for a moment ...

MJ was the consummate victim -- primarily he was a victim of himself. His father was indeed awful. A horrible, physically and emotionally abusive man. I feel for MJ for enduring all he did at Joe Jackson's hands. And his mother should have protected him, and the rest of the kids, but failed to. So yes, he had a rough start.

But every adult in his life was not an awful person. He had many friends. Diana Ross, Liz Taylor, and LMP to name a few, but there were many, many more (plus his child friends and their parents and families). They tried to warn him about his destructive behaviour, about choosing to have people around him who were obviously not trustworthy, but he was too stubborn, too controlling to listen, and didn't want anyone telling him he shouldn't do anything. So he dropped them and instead surrounded himself with people who were sycophants, who would go along with whatever he did.

He went on and on to anyone who'd listen about poor MJ, "the loneliest person in the world." They felt sorry for him, exactly as he intended they would. He'd call them at all hours of the night and they'd talk with him for hours, trying to help him. But inevitably he'd drop them too, before changing his phone number, and move on to the next person, with whom he'd repeat the same pattern.

What a slap in the face to the many people who'd bought into all that and spent so many hours listening to and befriending him.

Anyone who doesn't trust people is incapable of love, because love can't exist without trust. Anyone who refuses to learn how to pick people (adults!) to have in their lives they can trust, and therefore is paranoid and distrustful of everyone, except kids and animals, has a severe problem.

All he did was touch his hand to Gavin's shoulder? Please.

Yes, any one with Jackson's background would be messed up a as an adult, in some way or another. However, as I've said before, I've dealt with other people who "didn't have a childhood", and who tried to make up for it as immature adults. The one thing they all did was try to get other adults to assume a parental role, to give them the parenting they still hungered for, and some of them regarded actual children as competition. Not all of them avoided the company of actual children but many did, either because they wanted to "be" the child in relationoships, or because being around children reminded then of their awful childhoods.

So while it's rare for people who "didn't have a childhood" to surround themselves with children, FYI it's very common for pedos to do so. If you ever meet someone in real life who turns their home into a child-attracting amusement park and invites all the local kids over... NEVER leave that person alone with a child.