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So America Chávez is more of a Macguffin than actual character.


She doesn't really do much other than to be the person Wanda wants to get a hold of. I didn't realize how stupid a name America Chávez was, until someone said it on screen. At least she not as annoying as she is in her horrible comics.

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Good point. At least they didn't turn her into a Mary Sue though. Admitting she couldn't defeat Scarlet Witch was somewhat refreshing.

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Yes. And actress was very weak. She has forgettable face and no personality.

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She doesn't need a personality. She's the lesbian daughter of a lesbian couple. That passes for characterization today.

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She's an old-fashioned damsel in distress, and no damsel in distress ever has a personality!

They're just something the hero uses to demonstrate his personality, as in this film.

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Still the girl looks very Disney, they own the franchise, but I hope that is not the direction they are going with.

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If the girl looked "very Disney", IMHO it's because they didn't want her to be at all sexy. They wanted Strange to feel entirely protective towards her, no romantic or sexual feelings there, they just wanted her to be this poor kid that Strange and Wanda were fighting over.

So they cast a girl who was very young, probably 15 when the movie was filmed, who is cute rather than beautiful, and who didn't present herself as sexy. They wanted to be the film to be ALL about the contest of wills between Strange and Wanda, and not Strange wondering whether he wants Christine or America. Because they're probably saving his canonical girlfriend Clea for the next movie. With, I presume, Charlize Theron in the role.

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True, now I can see the reasoning behind the choice.

Charlize Theron/Clea is indeed a suitable love interest for Strange. I guess they are phasing out his ex.

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I know nothing about the Clea of the comics, except that Charlize is dressed up like the pictures of her, but I also think Charlize is good casting. She has enough charisma to hold her own with Cumberbatch, she's beautiful enough to play a comic-book heroine, and she can play women who are intelligent and strong-willed enough to interest a man like Strange.

And yeah, they phased out Christine, and I approve. Strange treated Christine very badly in the first film, and IMHO it's very clear that they're both vastly better off with someone else. Christine needs to marry a regular human who will make her happy, Strange needs to find someone on his own level, a sorceress or something. AND he needs to find someone who won't take any shit from him, he's an arrogant man and needs someone who will pull him up short when he gets out of line.

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AND he needs to find someone who won't take any shit from him, he's an arrogant man and needs someone who will pull him up short when he gets out of line.

Could not agree more. I think his recent behaviours are getting out of control.

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Yeah, I can definitely see Charlize Theron as a good fit!

I really can't praise the Marvel casting office too highly. Time after time, right from the get-go, they've found just the right actor for the role, from Downey at a time when he was unemployable, to the cute girl who plays Ms. Marvel in the streaming show.

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I haven't watched Ms. Marvel as yet. I am thinking of watching it in one go after season finale.

It is good to know it is not bad show, at least from casting point of view. The 6.1 imdb rating is making me having second thoughts.

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I think it's a good show and might be really good at this rate, so far it's a lot of fun and the heroine is an utterly likable kid.

And the IMDB ratings are reputed to be highly unreliable, at least when it comes to certain genres, as there are allegedly semi-organized campaigns among the worst sort of fanboys to downvote material they don't approve of... such as comic-book or sci-fi films that don't star straight white men. Some of those jerks think they own certain genres and think they ought to dictate what gets made and what isn't, and they do NOT approve of the existence of "Ms. Marvel".

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I can understand the controversy of having a Muslim girl as a super hero.

But that does not affect me one way or another, it just needs to be a good show and entertaining, that would be enough for me.

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Yeah I was hoping Wanda absorbed her powers and gotten rid of her in the end. Would have been more interesting.

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