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Gawain Patel

posted 4 years ago by NotoriousRio (12927)
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Sir Gawain and the Green Knight could be a fantastic movie, set in Britain's mythic past and telling an adventure of one of King Arthur's most famous knights, Sir Gawain. Yet from the casting of this movie you can tell this will be another worthless wokefest and waste of money.

Dev Patel, decent enough actor that he is, is of Indian descent, Sir Gawain, is not and never has been written of Indian descent, but coming from the Orkney Islands (An archipelago in the Northern Isles of Scotland).

Sir Gawain and the Green Knight has been portrayed few times on the big screen and never has there been anything that’s come close to a decent telling of the tale, this won’t either with its profound virtue signalling.

In regard to passing this off as it’s just a fantasy story, and that anything goes, the fantasy realm of Camelot is set in medieval Britain, with the same place names and peoples of medieval Britain but also fantastic creatures and magic. For example Arthur defeats Rome, as well as the Danes, Norway and the Gauls in many sources.

Even in a fantasy world with wizards and dragons, humans are still be prejudiced about each other.

Moving away from a fantasy version of medieval Europe, ethnicity is more apparent in the fantasy genre, JRR Tolkien’s ethnic human’s differ greatly of one another, such as Easterlings and the Rohirrim for example, the same is with George R. R. Martin’s with The Dothraki and Wildlings for example.

Great authors do this to keep a level of realism, even in worlds of fantasy where dragons fly and unicorns roam.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

It's just reversing the many decades of 100% white actors playing East Asian, Indian, and Middle Eastern characters.

[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 4 years ago

Two wrongs don't make a right. Twisted kinda logic that.

[–] Joogle83 (4143) 4 years ago

yep agreed Minorities deserve a voice im excited for it

[–] ccr1633 (1411) 4 years ago

Yep, agreed. You're completely wrong.

[–] kwestmo (4114) 3 years ago

Then why not set the movie in India and use all Indian actors? That would be more exciting

[–] kungfulord (957) 3 years ago

USA is a country with a white majority is logical most of the movies produce in that country the majority of actors are also white.

Tell me what diversity can you find in chinese cimena or indian cinema or south korean cinema, every country have actors that represent the majority of those country because is theyr main market,

I dont understand this obsesion some people have to demand nations with white majority to behave diferently than the rest of the world, in indian movies white actors plays only bad guys roles nobody cry racism, in china only Cinthia Rothrock have a successful and stable career and that was in the late 80's and early 90's, i dont see famous white or foreigns actors in other countrys you dont see spanic actors getting main roles in South Korean movies and nobody complaint about it

BTW im latin american i dont have a dog in this fight is just my honest opinion

[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 4 years ago

Lol could you imagine being sooo fragile. that you are triggered by a fantasy movie, based off a made-up fantasy story and characters, starring an actor who was born in England but is not white enough.

lol you are really pathetic man

[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 4 years ago

Pathetic response. You sound like a teenager. (Hmm I guess you are, you only post about Trump and comic book movies, LMAO)

Sir Gawain and the Green Knight is a late 14th-century Middle English chivalric romance, based on century’s old legend. Try reading a book kid.

[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 4 years ago

"n, is not and never has been written of Indian descent, but coming from the Orkney Islands (An archipelago in the Northern Isles of Scotland)."

"this won’t either with its profound virtue signalling."

"more woke trash"

Lol who is the teenager? you sound like every single loser conservative kid who watches Jordan Peterson and ben shapiro

Yet again, you are fragile

"Sir Gawain and the Green Knight is a late 14th-century Middle English chivalric romance, based on century’s old legend. Try reading a book kid."

So like I said. a fantasy movie based off a made-up fantasy story and characters.

You had no actual rebuttal other than to cry more about how you don't like what I post about... then embarrass yourself by telling me to read a book... because...? I got exactly the description right. a movie based off a story.

this is why you cuckservatives are embarrassments. you are so damn fragile, that a British guy who happens to be Indian isn't British enough or white enough in a made up fantasy story with giants and monsters.. Sorry this fantasy movie isn't historically accurate LOL

imagine being such a sensitive snowflake this angers you

[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 4 years ago

Read what you’ve just posted, you type like a little teenager with no experience of life, if you can’t differentiate fantasy with British legend, you really need to read a book.

Everything else you’ve posted is just embarrassing attempts at insults, but that’s all you can do, you have no argument.

[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 4 years ago

lol read what you fucking wrote.

"you can’t differentiate fantasy with British legend"

I said its a fantasy movie. which it is. but again. facts trigger you so. You are telling me those King Arthur movies aren't fantasy? especially the ones with monsters and magic? (which this has)

hahahah go find a movie with a 1/16th black guy acting it based off a fiction novel to get triggered about LOL. and tell me how mad you are that its not historically accurate because a 1/16th guy wouldn't be in this time period with dragons and giants!

https://deadline.com/2018/11/the-old-man-the-gun-director-david-lowery-a24-green-knight-1202496454/

Here is an interview with the director David Lowry. its described as a "fantasy epic retelling "

You dumb fuck. that is so embarrassing man. I can't wait to make fun of you nonstop on movie chat now lol.

[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 4 years ago

Just to show how fucking stupid you are. are you expecting the characters to be Gaelic britons? Because this fantasy epic takes place before the anglo Saxon invasion of England.

so they better try and as best they can replicate the language and culture and armour of Gaelic britons right? also the actor better the genetically a pure briton not mixed with Saxon blood or else this is just woke trash right?

see how fucking stupid you sound?

[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 4 years ago

[–] JlawsANormlHuman (864) 21 minutes ago
Just to show how fucking stupid you are. are you expecting the characters to be Gaelic britons? Because this fantasy epic takes place before the anglo Saxon invasion of England.

The Anglo Saxons invaded POST ROMAN BRITAIN, thus becoming the English centuries later! LOL

Academic historians generally agree that King Arthur was a mythological or folkloric figure, and not an actual individual person but based on one or more warlords who fought back the Saxon invaders, so successful were they that the Saxon invasion of BRITAIN was halted for fifty years or more.

Saxon Invasion of ENGLAND? Thanks, kid I never heard of anything so stupid.

[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 4 years ago

Yes the Anglo-Saxons raid English shores and are beaten back by the Romans
around 410. Finally the Romans Leave England and England shores are unprotected around 450. shortly after the Arrival of Jutes from Jutland, Angles from South of Denmark and Saxons from Germany. the Saxons, from Germany, settle in Kent.556

YES SO KING ARHTUR WOULD OF BEEN A GEALIC BRITON AND NOT AN Anglo Saxon. YOU DUMB FUCK.

SO all the characters in the film better be of Gaelic briton decent with no Anglo Saxon blood mixed in or else its inaccurate right? because having an Indian defended British man is so offensive we better male sure its perfectly accurate to the timeframe of the fantasy/

See how fucking dumb you sound.

Omg I called it England. TRIGGERED ALERT! TRIGGERED ALERT!

lol you've been unmanned yet again. ive seen some crybabies on here. I think you take the cake as the most fragile bitch on this entire site.

notice how you dropped the entire fantasy argument? lol Like all sad losers you run away when you cant address things.

[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 4 years ago

There's no argument when all you can do is cuss like a little kid. I've no time or interest for talking to children on a movie chat forum, your mad raged replies clearly show you are one.

Go find a Pokémon forum, you clearly can’t handle it here if all you can do is threaten and attack.

REPORTED and BLOCKED.

[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 4 years ago

hahahah get to safe space. thanks for confirming I won :)

cries I am a meanie. meanwhile in his first response posts "Pathetic response. You sound like a teenager. "

you might as well of posted "I am too fragile I cant handle criticism". notice how being mean is only bad when it happens to you. see im a man who can take it so I don't cry. but clearly you aren't and like to dish it out but not take it.

so pathetic

[–] politicanuck (19) 4 years ago

Wow I can't believe how unstable you are. I read the whole exchange and you seem to have issues?

So does the actor playing Arthur by your standards also have to be from the town he supposedly came from? and as JLAW said have to be a. pure blood Gaelic?

Where do the cutoff for how accurate it have to be end?

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Not Gaelic, but Brythonic. These are separate branches of the Celtic languages (and people who spoke/speak them). "Gaelic Briton" is a contradiction in terms.

[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 4 years ago

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[–] Flybynight45 (165) 3 years ago

I am all for telling good stories...

Is having an Indian actor in a traditional white role conducive to good storytelling and good character building?

A good hero is generally a flawed hero, especially in this day in age. But if you want to depict an Indian actor as the main hero as a kind of a reverse -racist approach, can you allow said hero to have flaws? It's one of the main failures of the new Disney Star Wars trilogy for example, having a female lead with no flaws and is just perfect at everything. There's no relating to such a character.

And the Indian minority of the UK will not be able to relate to Dev Patel.

[–] Joogle83 (4143) 2 years ago

right considering it was my 2nd Favorite of 2021 after Dune Part 1 and landed in my Top 5 Guess you were proven Wrong and the critics and I love it too cuz it left the plot for you to interpret something not Done in films anymore

[–] SickSpazmoid (691) 2 years ago

India was part of the British empire so it totally makes sense to have Indian knights. Well, you may bring forward problems of temporality but it won't matter, because everybody knows - time is a flat circle.

[–] whynotwriteme (7114) 2 years ago

DERP! British interests did not even arrive in India until the 1600s, hundreds of years after the era depicted in this movie. As for your time is a flat circle nonsense, perhaps you should lay off the LSD.

[–] Ace_Spade (9334) 2 years ago

We're bending the spacetime continuum, so, maybe he should already have laid off the LSD tomorrow?

[–] Kaiser100 (48) a year ago

Sir Gawain and the Green Knight is a myth. It never happened. But it is part of British mythology. Dev Patel is British. Therefore, it is part of his mythology.

Myths change. This one probably went through many variations before it was codified in a text 700 years ago. Gawain himself changes in character throughout the Arthurian mythos. Who is he?

Britain is a multi-ethnic state now. Its myths should reflect that. What is 'realism' in this context?

And you raise an interesting point - why is it that we accept dragons, unicorns and magic in *fantasy* (i.e. not the real world) and yet specifically note skin colour and gender when fantasy and mythology are involved? Why do we think those things make for more 'realism' vs. literally anything else that happens in a fictional world? Maybe it's our problem and not the portrayal's.

[–] creamandcrop (45) 3 months ago

That actor is not British. He is a citizen of the United Kingdom of Britain and Northern Ireland. That doesn't make him more British than naming a dog "Rex" makes the dog a king. It's still a filthy mutt.

Also, contrasting 70 years of communist rule with a history spanning thousands... that just confirms what "communication" means to you: barking like your very existence depended on it.