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Karli was the worst. Relieved she died and won’t come back


Unless some ahole does a Phil Coulson operation on her.

The whole sympathetic tone for such an unlikable character was the most contrived storyline since Handmaid’s Tale.

She had no redeemable qualities. Zero. Even her own goons started to think she was crazy. And now Sam carries her body out as if she hasn’t murdered a soul? Give me break.

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Yes, this was all extremely poor writing.


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They did the same thing in black panther.

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With Michael B Jordan?

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Yes

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She told her soldiers they would have to kill all the hostages. Why was Sam so eager to save her and defend her after the fact? He looked at Sharon like she murdered the woman in cold blood instead of saving his life from a terrorist about to blow his brains out.

The whole thing was so forced and didn't work a bit. I wrote about in a different post but the writing here is awful.

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The casting and writing of her character hurt the series big time. I'm not sure what happened. It seemed like they were trying to do an atypical villain, but missed the mark by a mile on every level.

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She was cast because she fits a bunch of the racist Left-wing token diversity checkpoints.
* Mixed-raced
* Lesbian
* Woke Liberal Progressive activist

It wasn't like she earned the role based on the merit of her acting abilities or the fact that she actually fit the role of an anti-nationalist terrorist organization. In reality it should have been a very charismatic, disillusioned, ex-special forces (likely mixed race or maybe Middle-Eastern) with PTSD who goes on an extreme Left binge trying to deconstruct nationalism using terrorist tactics. There have actually been a few people like that in real life, and so having an unhinged super soldier variant of that in the show would ring a lot more true than having some barely-out-of-college, miniature lesbian leading a group of international terrorists.

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It sticks out like a sore thumb against the rest of Marvel casting though. I can't think of anyone else in the series who was badly cast. And she ended up having such a central role...it was the one part, other than John Walker where they had to get the casting really on the nose. It is suspicious that she got two parts in really big Disney properties playing a similar character. There must be someone with influence at Disney pulling some strings for her.

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Oh definitely.

She spouts all the real-life nonsense that crazies at Disney love to hear, so they will keep casting her in lots of their projects, just like how Ruby Rose always seems to have roles lined up for her even though she can't act and she's about as far removed from being an action hero as the Karli girl was for being the leader of an international anti-fascist organization.

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Yeah, but she meant well.... murder is still murder.

The show was pretty good, just needed a better villain.

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" And now Sam carries her body out as if she hasn’t murdered a soul? Give me break."

And on top of that he lectures the mean politicians for calling her terrorists, HAHA! But Walker!!! Gotta get the shield away from Walker! This so is moronic. It's so poorly executed. No common sense or logic in the characters' actions.

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This show had two points to make. Number ONe, introduce Capitan America replacement, and a bad one at that.

And a lot of anti-American racial woke propaganda.

Everything else was filler they did not care about.

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Her character was simply terribly written for a person that does evil deeds because she suffered her whole life. There wasn't enough background story, no moments that convinces the audience that "yeah that's a nice person gone terribly bad because of all the suffering and agony she went through".

I felt sad for Isaiah Bradley but didn't feel a thing for Karli, can't even convince myself that she was simply someone who's gone insane.

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Isaiah Bradley literally stated that "nothing has changed" racially in this country, since he was a super solider, during the freaking Korean War.

Not one character in the series pushed back on that stupid, insulting and anti-American statement in the entire series.

If anything, the characters treated his position and P.O.V. with respect and their actions and statements implied that they, at this point in time, were finally going to try to challenge the oh so racist America by the incredibly daring act of making a black guy Capt. America.


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Isiah's character wasn't a problem. I wouldn't have minded more of him tbh - Carl Lumby is a good actor. Isiah is a bitter old man, tainted by his experiences, but there are people who are really like that. A handful of people did terrible to him years ago, but it has nothing to do with what's going on today. But like I said, people are stupid. They make blanket judgements, so his reaction is normal.

It's the rest of the anti-American crap that is off-base.

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Isiah's character was brilliant IMO, excellent acting that conveyed exactly what it was supposed to (whether the viewer liked him or not).

The Karli actor was weak and one dimensional (one people, one dimension lol), for a role that demanded nuance. She must have slept with the right lesbians.

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His character would have had a good arc, if he was shown being shocked and pleased by the complete lack of push back to a "black cap America".

As it is, the movie is pretending that recognizing a black hero is some huge step forward for this country, like we have not done that plenty of times.

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I don’t know, I think he was so jaded that he’s way past the point of believing superficial accolades.

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"The Karli actor was weak and one dimensional (one people, one dimension lol), for a role that demanded nuance. She must have slept with the right lesbians."

You guys who bring up her sexuality immediately lose your credibility.

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You’re missing the point (as always with identitarians). Here’s a more conventional translation: she must have sucked the right cock

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IMO, you guys that are constantly looking for excuses to dismiss other people instead of addressing what they say, you guys are the ones that immediately lose your credibility.


Karli was not good. The only time she had any presence, was when Sam assumed she was a hostage and she turned out to be the villain. Cool. The villain is a little girl. That was a good scene. If it was 1951, that would have been downright shocking.

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You're an idiot. I never said she was good. We've agreed on Morgantheau on this very thread amongst others. i am arguably the loudest person on this board. My opinions on this show are well-known.

Now am I dismissing that other asshole because he brought up the actress' sexuality? Your God damned right I did. It's irrelevant and he's a piece of shit for dragging that into it. The character sucks. This show sucks. But going after her based on her sexuality? Completely irrelevant to the show and just plain a scumbag move.

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not if her sexuality helped her land the role.

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You people are disgraceful.

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NO, you are disgraceful if you argue that it's ok to land a role just because someone has a different sexuality and not because that person is a good actor.

And that's a fact.

I don't care about her sexuality IF she is a good actor. Not the case here.

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I don't think the word fact means what you think it does.

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Agreed.

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I like how they took the second worst character in Solo: A Star Wars Story and recreated her in this. Maybe to top themselves they'll bring back Ultron voiced by Phoebe Waller-Bridge.

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She was so bad in Solo that I can’t even remember her in it.

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