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It was Agatha all along, or at least


until the next episode when they show Wanda still doing it and Agatha wants to know how. What a pointless diversion and attempt to make ANOTHER EXCUSE for Wanda.

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It was simply a double meaning designed to mislead us. We all just assumed it meant more than it did, but almost everything going wrong with Wanda's perfect world absolutely was Agatha all along as shown in the theme song... Making Herb glitch to freak out Vision, trying to put suspicion on Monica Rambeau, acting weird about doing another take when it seemed like a scene wasn't going her way, killing the dog (presumably to see if Wanda could really bring the dead back to life), sending in fake Pietro to try and suss out the secret behind her power, faking during the Halloween ep to slip to Vision that he's "dead", etc. She was poking and prodding at every weak point and creating cracks to try and get Wanda to reveal the secret, screwing up Wanda's chance at a happy sitcom with Vision.

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Agatha is ASKING Wanda how she's doing this. Wanda is in control of this. We saw the original accident. Wanda did it. Wanda showed sentience/awareness of the situation multiple times. She attacks SWORD, expands the "bubble", said she controlled the town in the "Modern Family" interview, and admitted AGAIN she's in control when Rambeau confronted her 2 episodes ago. It's absolutely NOT Agatha. Wanda did this because she's selfish and doesn't care about hurting others as long as she gets her precious Vision.

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Read what I said again, because you are not understanding. Agatha was not responsible for the hex. She absolutely is responsible for everything shown in the Agatha All Along song and everything I listed.

It was an intentional mislead that turned out to have a different meaning than you expected, but you're still stuck on the one narrow meaning that you expected.

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It isn't mislead, it's a copout. Everything is on Agatha. Still is even after the last episode. That's how it's presented and that's how the majority of the fans are interpreting it. Poor poor Wanda was "being controlled", it's not her fault! There's no accountability, remorse, or anything negative towards her from the show - Rambeau has outright excused her and portrayed her as the victim - and the fans. She's going to fight Agatha and Agatha sure as shit isn't the hero in this scenario. Wanda is VILLAIN, but this show doesn't have the balls to outright call her one.

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You personally disliking how it turned out doesn't make it wrong, though. Just saying.

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Agreed.

"Agatha All Along" just felt like the official Agatha Harkness reveal, with many expecting more because they knew it was coming due to either knowledge of the comics or online media that predicted it.

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Indeed. The song makes even more sense when you consider that the reveal is from Wanda's perspective as Agatha reveals herself to her. For Wanda, Agatha is revealed as responsible for everything that has been stressing and putting cracks into the fantasy world she's cooked up.

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It seems to be ok to excuse Wanda because there's a romance angle involved. No one cared about the character her entire run, then Vision dies, and the previews for this show came out and it's "Awww, we love Wanda and Vision!" There was this kinda faux fan favorite thing going on. Theories were popping up about how this show was going to be something involving her grief and she created some kinda world from a breakdown or was being held hostage and in some kinda sleep/stasis and dreaming all of this.

The show has been setting up this "I think there's some manipulation going on - this isn't Wanda's fault" argument for months. Several people even guessed Agatha Harkness online. Then they do the reveal with that STUPID song, only to undo it the next week when we're shown Wanda's controlling this, Agatha just wants to know how. She might be putting things in place to get Wanda to use her powers, but Wanda is choosing to do this. But practically no one is acknowledging this. It's annoying as fuck. Wanda has shown "questionable" character and choices her entire time in the movies, but it's this "poor Wanda" crap. I wish they had the balls to make her a full blown villain, because she is no hero.

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"The show has been setting up this "I think there's some manipulation going on - this isn't Wanda's fault" argument for months."

Sorta, but that's the motif of the show. You're focusing on one misdirect, but not seeing the big picture that the entire show was one misdirect after another.

We were lead to believe Wanda stole Vision's body. We were lead to believe Hayward wanted Vision's body back. We were lead to believe the casting of Evan Peters had something to do with the Multiverse. We were lead to believe there was a relationship between Agnes and the devil. We were lead to believe Agatha might be responsible for everything. And a few more. It seemed like there was another misdirect with each episode, and it felt like that's what they were going for.

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Because I don't care about the others ones. Most of them serve no purpose and don't do anything but point back to the big one (Agatha) anyway.

Then you've got others that are simply mad up. There was never anything showing Mephisto would show up. Why would he? Agatha is the one "responsible" for this, why would a 2nd villain be behind her? So Wanda's not really doing it... They're gonna pull that trick twice? That would have been stupid.

And "It was Agatha all along" isn't a misdirect, because almost the entire fanbase and the show itself are still excusing Wanda's actions. Rambeau has defended her, Darcy and Woo have too. Hayward is a big evil government man; and the government is always wrong, especially when going up against heroes. There's excuses FOR Wanda from multiple angles and absolutely no remorse from her or repercussions against her. It's still "all Agatha" to these people.

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Agatha made a couple references to the devil. The showrunners know the audience is going to suspect Mephisto because of his presence in the comics.

So the Avenger Wanda is responsible for temporarily altering peoples' minds to cope with her extreme loss, and at the end when it's shown she didn't cause any real harm to anyone, the most powerful person on earth is given a pass. To that I say, so what? She doesn't have to be the villain of her own show.

To me, "Agatha All Along" was just the reveal of Harkness combined with a bit of her own flexing. She saw Wanda's imaginary world in black and white and Agatha decided to cut herself a piece. And as the song played, she specifically showed what she was responsible for. The misdirect was in people's expectations that there was more.

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"So the Avenger Wanda is responsible for temporarily altering peoples' minds to cope with her extreme loss, and at the end when it's shown she didn't cause any real harm to anyone, the most powerful person on earth is given a pass. To that I say, so what?"

I bet you were anti-accords too. Big evil government people must be held accountable! Wanda? Nah. Yeah, you can fuck right off with that noise. Absolute shit logic.

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It was simply just an annoyingly catchy outro song.

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it was an annoying superficial twist

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Exactly! I hated it. It was excusing Wanda AGAIN. And now that we know she played a pretty healthy role in all this? No one is talking about it. It's still all Agatha's fault.

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Agatha did nothing wrong ... at least in the present, based on what we know.

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true that

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