How come (spoilers)
..the other (bad) variant is a female (Loki)? I don't get it.
shareThere are myriad variants. It could have been Teacup Loki or Bird Loki, but it happened to be Girl Loki.
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nope. It is a Variant: a version of THE SAME CHARACTER.
shareYes, of which there are many, many forms. One might be a puppy.
shareNope, since the TVA makes SURE there is only one timeline, the Sacred Timeline, it's literally IMPOSSIBLE to have other forms for the Loki in this universe.
Too hard for you?
I'm explaining to you exactly what was presented in the show, which is consistent with the comics. That you don't understand, or choose not to understand, is fine, but don't insult me for trying to help you.
shareyes, but "consistent with the comics" doesn't mean anything since comics aren't canon.
The show has yet to explain how multiple versions of Loki are possible. So, how do you know?
Miss Minutes explained it. Throughout time there are numerous "Nexus Events" in which the flow of time is split. The TVA tries to rein them in, and prunes the ones they can, but they can't be everywhere at once. Each of those timelines experiences splits of their own. Each time one goes unpruned, a second timeline exists parallel to the first. Imagine that over billions of years. The universe is almost 14 billion years old, after all. On most timelines exists a Loki, and on any that came into being before his birth, different factors lead to different Lokis. Apparently, on one timeline, teacups evolved into Asgardians.
share> Each time one goes unpruned, a second timeline exists parallel to the first.
Ok, that would be when the graphic exceeds the red line on the TVA agents' handheld devices. Since there are already female - Hulk and Tour de France - Lokis it happened at least three times. Makes sense. Thanks!
np
share"The TVA tries to rein them in, and prunes the ones they can, but they can't be everywhere at once."
actually they can since they are out of the normal time-space continuum.
And even if they cannot be everywhere, a different sex Loki is a far bigger variance than that random dude that gets purged for not picking up a ticket, would make NO sense for the TVA to pick up that variance and not a female Loki ...
They are, but remember that they operate in real time. They have to become aware of a Nexus Event, get there, and stop it all within a certain amount of time.
Your last paragraph makes no sense whatsoever.
remember in the first episode that random nobody that gets purged?
So you're saying that the TVA would prioritize that guy over someone as timeline disturbing as a female Loki? THAT makes no sense.
And to your point that they "can't be everywhere at once" - but they had tens of teams, that would mean that the judge would be swamped with cases, but apparently in the line there were ONLY 2 people: that random dude getting purged and Loki. And no one else after Loki. Not the crazy busy activity you are trying to paint.
So based on that scene we can get to the conclusion that no, the cases were not quite so overwhelming ...
They've been trying, unsuccessfully, to capture and prune the female Loki. She hasn't gone unnoticed, she just has not been caught.
And, you are assuming that because there was only one other case on the day that our Loki was brought in, that over billions of years there were never times when there were dozens of cases at once, or a Nexus Event went unnoticed, or too many happened at once for them all to be handled, or a team arrived but failed and a new timeline happened.
If you want to base a conclusion on something you were shown in the show, you ought to conclude that at various times long ago, before the birth of Loki, a number of Nexus Events went unchecked, and a variety of timelines branched out, on which all manner of Lokis were born, including a teacup, a female, and one that looked like the Hulk, for we were definitively shown those outcomes.
No, I didn't assume. It was shown in the show.
"They've been trying, unsuccessfully, to capture and prune the female Loki" - really? That female Loki was so awesome that since birth was so amazing that they couldn't capture her, even at 2 months old she manages to elude them. And somehow they couldn't catch her for several decades allowing her to become mature ... while our loki was picked up in one minute ... REALLY??
The nexus events don't happen "real time" - whatever you understand by that, we were shown how they went in different times in our timeline, from Pompeii to first WW and 20something.
So no, your assumptions that somehow they didn't have "time" to go to an event at some point while having 2 cases at a different point doesn't make any sense, sorry.
Or the show doesn't try to make any sense and it's just a mess ...
Okay, you don't understand what was explained in the show.
The TVA would have no reason to look for the female Loki when she was 2 months old. Their sole mission is to wait for a Nexus Event to occur, then go reset it before it redlines.
Female Loki exists because at some time before Loki was born a Nexus Event took place, and it redlined. A new timeline came into being, and the TVA was too late, or otherwise unable, to reset it in time. Most likely, a number of such events happened before Loki's birth, which means there are lots of parallel timelines. On each of those parallel timelines exist new, un-reset Nexus Events, which created parallel timelines branching from the branches.
On one of those parallel timelines, when Loki was born, some previous circumstance lead to her being born female. Maybe her parents were delayed by a minute, or an hour, before conceiving her by some situation unique to their timeline. Who knows? The important thing is, something happened differently on that timeline, and they had a girl.
The TVA can do nothing about this. Even if they wanted to go around murdering babies, it wouldn't matter, because all they would do is create a new branch in the timeline. In effect, murdering baby Loki would be a Nexus Event, and they could let it go past redline, but there would still be a timeline in which girl Loki still exists.
When I wrote that they have being trying to capture female Loki, I mean they have been doing so after she did something that caused a Nexus Event. That's the only time they would even have been aware of her existence, and the only time they'd try to capture her.
I know it can be confusing-- all discussion of time travel is-- but going by the rules laid out in the MCU, this is what happened, and why female Loki exists.
Well, not quite. The TVA states that there is ONLY ONE timeline: the sacred timeline. And ANY variation from that timeline is a Nexus event, so the birth of a female Loki IS a Nexus event and MUST be reset.
"But then the all knowing Time-Keepers emerged. Bringing peace by reorganizing the Multiverse into a single timeline, the Sacred Timeline."
"The Time-Keepers were formed because of a multiversal war, where different timelines battled each other for supremacy. They brought peace to the Multiverse by reorganizing it into a single timeline."
So you either have a single timeline or you don't. If you have a single timeline as the MCU wiki suggests then there is no timeline in which Loki could be a female because ... gasps ... there is NO OTHER timeline than the Sacred one ...
If you have multiple timelines then there is no TVA. If there is the TVA then you don't have multiple timelines.
"Though most of the time the Sacred Timeline chugs along according to the Time Keepers’ grand design, every now and then an individual and their pesky free will can interrupt that timeline with their actions. This is called a Nexus event and could be something as grandiose as starting a war or as simple as being late to work. Individuals who engage in Nexus events are known as Variants. "
As you can see, a Nexus event is ANY variation. The birth of a female Loki IS a Nexus event and the TVA WILL HAVE to reset it ASAP.
Let me say it again: if the TVA works to keep a unique timeline (The Sacred Timeline) then there should be exactly ZERO parallel timelines.
A Nexus Event happens when someone messes with time, usually through time travel or some other manipulation of the flow of time. I think this is what is confusing you.
The birth of a female Loki is not a Nexus Event. It is something that might happen in the future, *after* a Nexus Event splits the timeline.
The TVA's goal is to keep their sacred timeline intact, but they don't always succeed.
You didn't read!!!
Did you even WATCH the show? Watch the first episode again. The Miss minutes explains CLEARLY that a nexus event is "whatever you started a riot or you were just late for work" and she CLEARLY states the the lizards "reorganized the multiverse INTO A SINGLE TIMELINE".
Can your brain understand, after I repeated again and again, according to MCU it's A SINGLE timeline. There is NO splitting, because the TVA doesn't allow it. FFS.
Here: watch it again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m5cQB2QtOE
Again: THERE IS ONLY ONE TIMELINE. Not two, not three, NOT MORE.
Just ONE.
And let's say that female loki IS from a different timeline (which as i said it's impossible since there is NO other timeline, as per the show) - why would she hang out and mess with OUR Loki timeline? And the TVA WHICH timeline is actually trying to fix?
The only way what you're saying would make sense only if there are multiple universes, each with it's own timeline. Or the timeline is not just one but then the show clearly states that it's JUST ONE.
You're wrong, but there is no point in going back and forth. You don't want to learn, and you refuse to admit that you're wrong. Believe what you want.
shareMCU: there is ONLY one timeline
Rando on the internet: but that means there are an infinite of timelines and an infinite versions of Loki
MCU: NO, there is ONLY ONE.
Rando on the internet: but that means there are more timelines ... and each timeline has a different Loki
MCU: NO, didn't you understand??? ONE FUCKING TIMELINE
Rando on the internet: but, but, but there could still be different timelines, right? right?
MCU: of for fuck's sake (smh)
It's odd that the fact that a "variant" of Loki exists who was a variant from birth. She would have had to be born, grow up and spend 30 years living in her own universe before going rogue. They already clearly set the rules that after a few minutes a branched timeline passes a nexus point and can no longer be reset. The TVA would have had to reset lady loki as soon as she was born, or was conceived, or was taken by Odin, whichever was the splitting point. Clearly these things have never crossed your tiny mind.
shareThat was my point all along.
Here a quote from my post:
"As you can see, a Nexus event is ANY variation. The birth of a female Loki IS a Nexus event and the TVA WILL HAVE to reset it ASAP."
And another quote:
"That female Loki was so awesome that since birth was so amazing that they couldn't capture her, even at 2 months old she manages to elude them. And somehow they couldn't catch her for several decades allowing her to become mature"
learn to read ;)
I think I assumed you were talking about the Loki tesseract thing and were talking about something else. You are correct and filmbuff is a moron.
sharehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcTQHo0soP8
this kinda explains why she is a female ...
Plus: it might not even be Loki but The Enchantress (Sylvie Lushton) ...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enchantress_(Marvel_Comics)
Apparently it's even credited as Sylvie in the show credits ... (spanish language)
Plus Sylvie Lushton has her powers granted by Loki, so it would appear that the TVA is reading his signature as a result ...
https://insidethemagic.net/2021/06/lady-loki-actually-the-enchantress-ks1/
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/loki-lady-loki-enchantress-sylvie-lushton.html/
And timeline that has branched can branch again an infinite number of times. So failing once is the same as failing an infinite number of times, which would render the whole thing piontless. Again, you are making stuff up. Nowhere in the series does it say that "sometimes they fail". It says that there was a mulitversal war, after which all timelines were merged to ONE timeline, and the TVA prunes branches from the sacred timeline.
shareNowhere does it say anything that you just wrote, either, at least not the part you are using to refute what I've written.
We've been told the following:
There were lots and lots of competing timelines, and the Time Keepers wrested them into one timeline.
The TVA exists to try to prevent new timelines from branching out, after what are known as Nexus Events.
When someone jumps timelines, almost anything they do can cause a split. Even something as simple as being late for work after a timeline split can have major repercussions down the road.
There are lots of Lokis who are very different from the one we know.
That's it. Everything else is up to us to surmise.
Nowhere have we ever been told that the TVA always succeeds. We know that a number of crews have been waylaid, and their reset charges stolen. We do not know if some of those new timelines redlined.
That a Teacup Loki, Hulk Loki, and (potentially) a female Loki exist, tell us that there must exist either alternate timelines or alternate universes that can access the "sacred" timeline.
In other words, what you wrote was never explicitly stated, NOR WAS IT IMPLIED, while what I'm theorizing, though also not explicity stated, was ABSOLUTELY implied. How else do we get, say, a Teacup Loki unless there was a redlined Nexus Event long before Loki's birth?
No, you just made this up. The show clearly says that there is only one timeline. If there were lots of split timelines that were left unpruned, then what would the big deal be about pruning timelines at all in the first place? The timekeepers existed at the beginning of the universe, the director confirmed it. In the comics the universe goes through cycles and starts again from the beginning at the end of time. The multiversal war happened before this cycle of the universe, which is why the timekeepers want to prevent the timeline from splitting so that they stay in control. None of this explains why a female Loki can possibly exist, which means up to this point it remains a plot-hole.
shareCan they prune a timeline that's already passed the limit? (that red line on their handheld devices)
If there are timelines that passed that limit and can't be pruned anymore, that would explain multiple Lokis. Except now, those timelines contradict with the "one sacred" timeline.
Not always what is presented makes sense.
And no, you are not explaining what is presented in the show.
I will say again: if TVA’s job is to make sure there are no variations to the timeline is clear that a Loki feminine variant would be impossible, because the TVA would detect that and reset it to “normal” as they do with all other things that change, as shown in the show.
So the show states that the TVA controls the timeline and doesn’t allow variances and it’s resetting, or even purging, variants that steer off but they do allow a female variant to reach maturity? Doesn’t make too much sense.