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Has Patrick Stewart really thought about how this series will destroy his prestige?


Until now, Picard was probably the third most iconic character in most iconic scifi series ever, only a step behind Kirk and Spock. If you're an actor, that's even better than an Oscar.

But... not anymore.

Stewart will be remembered as the guy who sold himself to SJWs to keep alive this identity politics bastardized version of Star Trek. He lived enough to see himself become the villain in this story. And that's kind of... sad :-(

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He's a mad lefty himself, most actors are, great actor though, wasted on much of Star Trek/X Men.

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Keep wasting your life praising Jebus

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What a childish comment to make. I’m not even religious.

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When you are not left then yes, you are religious.

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When you're not left, you're not a moron.

Lefties are far more moralistic than any religious but Islam. Corporations and wealth are evil. Whitey is racist, men are sexist, heteronormals are phobic deviants. The Victim hierarchy is more insane than any religion or caste system.

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If you're not part of the solution.. you're part of the problem.

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"If it's not of God then it's of Satan."

Fanaticism is the opposite of fanaticism.

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Yeah, well it's in my nature to help victims like that three year over date hellspawn.

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Hide in the corner attacking people. LOL. Big man.

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The way he sees is he gets to keep the money they are throwing at him and in a few years he will be dead, so his image doesn't matter.

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What does it matter? TNG is still there, no matter how they mess up Picard.

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"If you're an actor, that's even better than an Oscar." πŸ˜‚ Yeah, I'm sure many an Oscar winning actor / actress has tossed it in the bin as soon as they got home crying themselves to sleep wailing "if only I'd got that part in Star Trek..."

Besides your logic is faulty here. Stewart was a trailblazing SJW before the term had even been invented. He opened a lot of doors / improved the confidence and changed the perception of bald men everywhere. You obviously don't remember that before Stewart for bald men it was a case of keep your head down and trying to ignore people screaming "oi you, ya bald headed twat", "hey slaphead!", etc while suppressing tears...

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Do you remember who was the main character in X-Files? Do you remember who was the main character in The Next Generation?

Do you know who was the actor that played Spock in the original show 1966-1968?

Now, in 1968, do you remember who got the Oscar for Best Actor?. The movie was called 'Charly' and the chararter's name was 'Charly Gordon', do you know who was the actor that got the Oscar?

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Cliff Robertson. But I see your point as I am a fan of the source material and Cliff Robertson. Anyone else I would have missed. However, the Oscar is said to increase the winner's earning potential five-fold.

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Yeah, I'm sure that's true but at the same time I can remember what a McDonald's cheeseburger tastes like more easily than I can recall some incredible food I know I ate in an amazing restaurant ten years ago. Doesn't mean the cheeseburger was better though.

It's about quality over quantity for the actor of class.

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I can remember what a McDonald's cheeseburger tastes like more easily than I can recall some incredible food I know I ate in an amazing restaurant ten years ago. Doesn't mean the cheeseburger was better though.

Nope. It just means you prefer fast food. Not everybody likes the same. I can't tell the difference between a McDonald's cheeseburger and a Burger King one, but I can recall great food I ate years ago.

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Never saw the movie but really enjoyed reading β€œFlowers for Algernon”

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Are you trying to say that Don Rickles wasn’t a positive role model for bald men?

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You can name more Star Trek actors than Oscar winners and so can everyone. Oscars are a participation prize. Star Trek is arguably the most influential television and science fiction of all time.

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"He opened a lot of doors / improved the confidence and changed the perception of bald men everywhere."

A couple of dudes named Yul Brynner and Telly Savalas blazed the bald hero trail long before anybody ever heard of Stewart. But yeah, Stewart did boost the cool factor for bald guys in the late '80s and '90s.

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Hmm, that seems a hysterical reaction to me.

Like Stewart starring in this series does any more damage to the Star Trek legacy than, oh I don't know, say Leonard Nimoy releasing an album called "Mr Spock's Music From Outer Space"?

Patrick's a legend, not to mention funny as f***, I think his (and TNG's) legacy will survive regardless. And hey, the show might actually be good. Now there's a troubling thought for you!

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Like Stewart starring in this series does any more damage to the Star Trek legacy than, oh I don't know, say Leonard Nimoy releasing an album called "Mr Spock's Music From Outer Space"?


Well, I never heard about that album, so I just checked in youtube. Thank you for bringing it up, because I think it portrays really well how the series (and the western society) has changed.

The albums looks campy, and silly, but the music is lovely, at least the instrumental ones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDggMLJqhj0 (love this one)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRdZ8ykffnA
It really conveys a '60s in Space' feeling.

And it really shows how the Western society has changed. This album was silly on the outside, but actually very well done. That was a feature from the 60s: people loved that lack of seriousness on the outside... but that was only the external appearance: they were extremely professional.

Fast forward to modern day: you have Star Trek Discovery, and now Star Trek Picard, all of them looking solemn and grave on the outside... but then preposterous and badly done* in the inside, not to say the indoctrination aspect that makes them similar to religious movies.

A U-turn in a few decades.

Anyway...

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*We still don't know whether Picard will be badly done or not, but it has already started with solemnity and ceremony... so, knock on wood.

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You certainly make an interesting point and I can appreciate how you feel the soul has been sucked from modern Trek. I happen to disagree but I know where you’re coming from. The thing is though your original post at least suggests that Stewart is a sell out for taking part in this new series and my Nimoy comment was just pointing out that no Star Trek actor is above that. From bad movies to endless convention appearances indeed it seems it’s a prerequisite for the job.

Do we really think anyone from Shatner to Mulgrew would knock back an offer to be a part of Discovery or a vehicle of their own, regardless of the thematic tone? They would beam up warp speed my friend.

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>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDggMLJqhj0 (love this one)

It's groovy, I dig it.

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Dude STFU ....you sound like an idiot....πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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I think he's a troll who's never seen Star Trek and is just repeating what some stupid pimple-faced, pasty ass basement dweller on YouTube ranted. Every time someone mentions Star Trek and "SJW" in the same sentence, that outs him as a piece of trash culture warrior who spends all day watching trash YouTubers trying to explain to him why franchises like Star Trek and Star Wars--which have always had diverse casts--are selling out to SJWs by also having diverse casts.

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I agree. I haven't loved everything about the new Star Wars for instance ....but Rey is not the problem. In fact Daisy Ridley is a delight to watch....

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Only has a nice face though...

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Picard's prestige was already destroyed by the TNG movies.

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When you're an actor about to fully age into proper retirement, you take any paying job you can get your hands on for the long winter. That's why so many prestigious actors make notoriously shitty movies before they bow out. Legacy always takes a back seat to ensuring your family is taken care of.

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The story itself depicted Picard as being somewhat alienated because of a falling out in the past with Starfleet and a masive tragedy that killed many. This doesn't mean he has turned bad.

Now he has the opportunity to in some way correct some wrongs with the help of what look like some determined individuals who accept his leadership (or will do eventually).

I don't think the decision to consciously make the cast ethnically or racially diverse diminishes Picard, such as by questioning his integrity or ability to recognise moral situations or reflect sensitively on people, or having the audience believe this is the case. I might be wrong, but it doesn't like this is a revisionist narrative which seeks to bury the past or change it to something different.

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