I’m not sure if this has been brought up already, but the continuity of Princess Leia relationship with Obi seems to have changed with the show. In a new hope she clearly talks with him as if she never met him before. Are they going to redo a new Hope and have Princess Leah wearing the gloves that Obi bought for her?
shareCorrect me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Leia ever speaking directly to Obi-Wan in Star Wars. She sends him a message via R2D2, but she never makes it clear if they'd met or not. She references him helping her father, probably because she thinks that would make more of an impact than her saying "we met once when I was 10."
shareThey never meet but yea, I’m talking about the message it sounds like she never met him. I think their meeting now is more than hey met you once when I was ten. They spent a lot of time together and had a pretty epic adventure. You would think she would open with hello old friend, not “hey you fought with my dad” their experience together was pretty memorable
shareSure, she could have said a lot of things, but what she said still makes sense. Much of what happens to us as children becomes hazy with time, and traumatic childhood experiences are often blocked out and forgotten completely. It isn't a stretch to say that the two or three days she spent kidnapped and on the run with Obi-Wan as a child are kind of a blur to her as an adult, or for her to assume that while Obi-Wan may remember her, she was only a kid, and his real connection is with her father.
When it comes down to it, this is part and parcel of a prequel. Some new things must be introduced to make the prequel interesting and unpredictable, and as long as they don't irrevocably break continuity, they are acceptable. Think of it the same way you do Darth Vader being Luke's father, or Leia being his sister. Neither explicitly undermines anything in Star Wars, but both feel out of place under close examination.
but what she said still makes sense
You're trying too hard to find fault. Nothing about what she says doesn't fit with what was shown in Obi-Wan Kenobi. We can sit here all night and come up with other things she could have said, just like we can dissect any scene in any film and find reasons it may not be perfect, but that's a fool's errand. Even calling him "General" can be explained any number of ways, and in truth, that's one of many things said and done in Star Wars that have to be taken with a grain of salt when watching the subsequent two films.
sharethings she could have said
Even calling him "General" can be explained any number of ways
Again, what she says fits 100% with what was shown in Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Your plumber example does not mirror the show, as she and Obi-Wan aren't same age schoolmates. She is 9 or 10 years old when she encounters Kenobi in the show. She's with him for a day, perhaps two, then returned home. She only knows him as her father's friend, and who knows how much, if any, of the adventure she remembers. Kids forget much of their childhood as is, and are especially prone to blocking out traumatic events. It is completely realistic that she would have no memory whatsoever of him, or only a dim recollection of some older man helping her. So a much better version of your plumber story would be if as a child your dad hired a plumber and you were there and talked to him, then 10 or 11 years later you called and said "yeah, my dad used to hire you..."
In any event, it's ALL speculation. There is nothing even slightly contradictory in what she says, and while you can imagine she might have said it another way, it doesn't matter. Continuity was not broken in even a tiny way.
You are trying too hard. Its a continuity error. Its that simple. And its very obvious
shareI'm not trying to do anything other than say what she said.
Disney messed up and now that interaction with R2 doesn't make any sense now.
It is quite simple. She knows him. She has met him. SHe has talked to him....Personally
You then wouldn't request his help but stating "you helped my father during the clone wars". You would just ask him for help because like stated again and again and again she knows him.
Disney has created an issue that should never have existed but people wil always shill for them for some reason and defend it. Hence what is happening here.
Its a continuity error. Its that simple
DUDE you are wrong. Nothing she said contradicts her knowing Oni wan. She was 10 freaking years old. 10 to 20 is a long time. I never would have called an old man that I meant at 10 one time...OLD FRIEND...jesus christ. IF YOU WANT TO SEE REAL FUCKED UP continuity go watch the new Star Treks. Star Wars has near perfect continuity compared to that...
shareI don't care about Star Trek so why bring it up in a Star Wars forum. Seems a bit odd.
We are not talking about some random encounter with a stranger. Kenobi saved her twice and spent a considerable amount of time with him. They had full on coversations about each other while travelling. But yeh she just forgets about the man who protected her and saved her life. I can still remember the women who helped me home when I was knocked of my bike when I was 8.
And no i'm not wrong. and yes what she says contrdicts it. How doesn't it. Why are people so eager to defend Disney's horrendous writing.
The quote
General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire
I bring up Star Trek because ONE episode of the new shows has more continuity errors than ALL of live action Star Wars. You are being extremely nitpicky right now. Again 10 year old Leia's is different than 20 year old Leia's. She did that message on the fly in her ship. She was being cordial and respectful of him. Did she need to say...its me leia. Remember we had that adventure 10 years ago....??? Its not an continuity error no matter how displeased you are.
shareAlso She refers to him as General.
He was called General in the new series. Recall wondering why at the time.
Remember when he said goodbye in Episode 6 of the series Obi-Wan told her to never reveal that she knows him.
shareIt's not meant to sound like they knew each other when she was ten. She's relaying a request of her father's for Obi Wan to get involved in a war. It's not a social call.
People that are getting their knickers in a twist about this are way overthinking things and/or just desperately holding on to some unnecessary piece of head canon they decided on years ago.
"Help me Obi Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope.", doesn't sound like she doesn't know him to me.
But Obi Wan warned her to be careful. If the message got to the wrong people they would know she knew Kenobi.
shareYes, it was very important while sending a message directly to Obi-Wan containing the rebels' stolen Death Star plans that she didn't call him Ben... Because if the message was intercepted that would mean they'd REALLY be in big trouble.
shareExactly and remember when Luke came into the prison cell to rescue her he said "I'm here with Ben Kenobi" and she jumped up and said "BEN Kenobi? Where"
shareWhy would she still keep up the pretense once they've already escaped on the Falcon, though, going so far as to console Luke, who was visibly distraught despite having even less of a relationship with the man?
Their knowing one another is clearly a retcon, and a pretty clumsy one at that.
Right after she stored the message she was caught and brought to Darth Vader, so of course she would keep up the pretense. Luke may not have personally known Obi Wan very long but he still cared that the man who knew his father had died. Their knowing one another is not a retcon, but an explanation of how she knew Obi Wan Kenobi. She even is excited when Luke tells her Ben is with him.
shareDoesn't Kenobi basically say "pretend we never met" at the end? Also, Leia inherits Tala's gun holster in the finale.
shareExactly.
shareYup...they covered it pretty well yet we have another bunch of whiny bitches to deal with here. Probably left over from the Jar Jar is too childish bullshit 23 years ago. Good thing I'm still in excellent health to combat these weirdos....😂
shareActually, I don't think she says anything in New Hope that implies she has never met him. She is speaking to him a bit formally, which makes some sense since she is asking for his help at the behest of her father.
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Indeed. The excuses made for the continuity laughs in your face (blunders underplays it too much) in this show makes some of the Prequel mistakes look trivial.
shareIt's a plot hole/retconn. You watch A New Hope, she definitely didn't know him.
shareIn the show, before he says goodbye to Leia, she asks him if she will ever see him again. He says maybe if she needs help from a tired old man. Then he says they must be careful. This is what she is doing when she sends the message to Kenobi. Watch Ep. 6 again and you will see.
shareYes I think most people thought Leia and Obi-Wan had never met each other prior to ANH before seeing this show. However, if you carefully look at her message, there's no real indication either way if they actually know each other.
But you could make a case that there is a clue that she had previously met him. In the message she first calls him "General Kenobi". Of course, her famous line at the end is "Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope." But when Luke arrives at her cell, he says he's there with Ben Kenobi, and Leia immediately knows who that is and eager to go with them. As we all know in the Star Wars Galaxy when someone needs to hide, they change their first name, but not their last. So Leia would not have known that Obi-Wan and Ben were the same person, unless she had previously met him.
As I'm writing this it occurred to me that it would make sense for Leia to name her first born son after the man who twice saved her life and sacrificed himself so that the Death Star could be destroyed.
It doesn't change anything except the head canon of some of those who decided they needed to conclude if Leia knew Obi Wan or not based purely on an absence of any kind of call back in that movie. Since Kenobi and Leia never get to actually interact in ANH, any call back to a previous adventure when she was a child was irrelevant and redundant. The reason Kenobi is being contacted is because the Senator for Alderann is formally asking a former Jedi to enlist in the rebellion against the Empire.
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