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HAHA - Ewan trashes the prequels!


"[It] was hard they didn't get well received. That was quite difficult," McGregor said in an interview for The Hollywood Reporter's latest cover story. "They were universally not very much liked."

"Obi-Wan Kenobi, the series, will feel "so much more real," he promises, because of StageCraft, which The Mandalorian showrunner Jon Favreau utilized for his Star Wars series."

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ewan-mcgregor-says-quite-difficult-150149095.html

The prequels aren't good movies. We all know it and did for many years. Even people who liked them knew they weren't great.

But then something happened. Disney bought the franchise and the Lucas Loyalists were born. They retroactively tried to tell us the prequels were good - and continued to get louder and louder as Episodes 8 and 9 were released. But we all know. Everyone involved with those movies knows.

I'm glad he's returning and interested in this show, but glad he's being honest. All this Lucas Loyalist nonsense makes me want to puke. It's ok to not like something Star Wars. The fandom and conversations were better back then. We could talk prequels even though we didn't all like them. You try to have a conversation about the sequels and Lucas Loyalists come running in and try to ruing any attempt at conversation. You actually cannot talk about these movies because these dorks come flying in trying to sidetrack the convo.

Good for you, bro!

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It's ironic that you seem to be unable to talk about the prequels without talking about the sequels.

Prequels have always been split amongst the fanbase and loathed by general movie goers for good reason. McGregor says they weren't well received and goes in to how hard it was to work behind a green screen for pretty much the entire trilogy because of the bloated amount of CGI and Lucas' horrible direction. However, the fanbase has always been split on the prequels and they still seem to be.

Maybe the fanbase dislikes the sequels so much that it has given off the perception that the prequels were better than they were, or maybe it's just nostalgia, when they both suck.

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How are the prequels mixed, but the sequels aren't? My man... stop it.

The Phantom Menace 52% & 50%
Attack of the Clones 65% (and that's generous) & 56%
Revenge of the Sith 80% & 66%

The Force Awakens 93% & 86%
The Last Jedi 90% & 42%
The Rise of Skywalker 51% & 86%

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Rotten Tomatoes isn't the be all end all of how well a film is received with its core fanbase. Right now is reminiscent of how it was when the prequels came out. There is a large vocal group of the fanbase that despises these new films and the same thing happened twenty years ago. I'll agree that the sequels are mixed because there are obviously people that liked them too even though all of the scores above are generous.

I guess even if we are even going to utilize RT as the "standard". Then we'll have to come back and revisit this conversation in ten years when the sequels have the similar amount of votes as the prequels currently do so all is fair.

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Yeah, yeah, review sites don't count. I know. Nothing counts when it criticizes something we like.

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Well when you only use one and RT doesn't even offer how good of a film it is. It's just a collection of whether someone would basically recommend or not recommend a film. A 93% doesn't mean it's a 9.3/10 rating, it just means 93% of their critics would give the film a positive rating whatever that rating may be. Here's some other review site numbers for you.

Metacritic:
Phantom 51 / 6.1
Clones 54 / 6.1
Sith 68 / 7.8
Average: 57 / 6.6

Awakens 80 / 6.7
Jedi 84 / 4.1
Skywalker 53 / 4.6
Average: 72 / 5.1

IMDB:
Phantom 6.6
Clones 6.5
Sith 7.5
Average: 6.8

Awakens 7.9
Jedi 7.0
Skywalker 6.6
Average: 7.1

MRQE:
Phantom 67
Clones 67
Sith 77
Average: 70

Awakens: 81
Jedi: 81
Skywalker: 63
Average: 75

Looks like there isn't much separation by these numbers. if the prequels are trash then looks like the sequels are some polished trash.

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Looks to me like the sequels are liked more than the prequels and multiple sites prove it. It's almost if if that site I referenced you don't like was right. Weird.

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Yeah there's this huge margin of victory between the two piles of trash...

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72 IS significantly higher than 57, for starters.

You pissed on RT and tout IMDB; as if that site isn't tainted by nutty fans. And I've never even heard of MRQE. If you didn't tell me RT doesn't matter then come back with these other sites, we're not having this conversation.

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Ah so now only certain review sites count as some have nutty fans while others don't? Is 6.6 significantly higher than 5.1? I pissed on RT because you cite it like it's the only ruling source on the matter when it has the same issues that all of these sites do.

MRQE has been around for decades so I have no idea how you haven't heard of it.

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"Ah so now only certain review sites count"

Ahem...

"Rotten Tomatoes isn't the be all end all of how well a film is received with its core fanbase."

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Lol I'm not even sure what we're arguing about anymore and I don't want to re-read all this crap. Have a good day and weekend dude!

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Looks to me like the sequels are liked more than the prequels and multiple sites prove it.

Not really.

Douban movies is the equivalent to iMDB in China. Western movies barely have farm bots scoring the movies there. And the constant Disney marketing last years is far less present.

So, how Star Wars movies are scored in the most important movie website in Asia?
https://search.douban.com/movie/subject_search?search_text=star+wars

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8.4 Star Wars
8.4 The Empire Strikes Back
8.4 Return of the Jedi

8.2 The Phantom Menace
8.0 Attack of the Clones
8.4 Revenge of the Sith

7.2 The Force Awakens
6.3 The Rise of the Skywalker
7.1 The Last Jedi

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There must have been 4 or 5 sites between me and the other guy. None of them count. But your China site? THAT counts.

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There must have been 4 or 5 sites between me and the other guy. None of them count. But your China site? THAT counts.

Exactly. Thank you for summing up the idea.

The 4-5 sites you mentioned share a common problem: they either were bought by Hollywood or by companies with very close ties to them. Accounts that make negative reviews have been often banned and many negative reviews deleted. On the other hand, fake positive reviews and farmbots that inflate the score are allowed. That has led to a situation where Netflix or Disney+ series score higher than Citizen Kane and Black Panther was declared the Best Movie in History.

Don't get me wrong: I'm sure that when it comes to Chinese productions, Douban does exactly the same. However, when it comes to western productions, it's way less manipulated, and much more honest.

By the way, in case you suggest Douban decreases the score of last years Hollywood productions, The Mandalorian season 1 was scored 9.2 in Douban, which is obviously excessive, but I think it can be explained by the "albricias!! finally something decent in star wars!!" effect.

https://movie.douban.com/subject/30344167/
9.2 The Mandalorian S1

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Cherry picking I see. A site counts when it supports what you think. No sorry no good here as it stands the force awakens is seen as better than any prequel by the mass majority.

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The fact that he had to find a Chinese site tells all. We all know how fair and unbiased data from China is! Then again, look at his posting history... his nonsense here is tame by his standards.

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See I have no issue with them thinking the prequels are better. What I find insulting is they can't accept others don't agree with them.

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The Prequels are vastly superior to the sequels and that's a fact

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I don't think the word fact means what you think.

Rotten Tomatoes:

The Phantom Menace 52% & 50%
Attack of the Clones 65% & 56%
Revenge of the Sith 80% & 66%

The Force Awakens 93% & 86%
The Last Jedi 90% & 42%
The Rise of Skywalker 51% & 86%

Metacritic:
Phantom 51 / 6.1
Clones 54 / 6.1
Sith 68 / 7.8
Average: 57 / 6.6

Awakens 80 / 6.7
Jedi 84 / 4.1
Skywalker 53 / 4.6
Average: 72 / 5.1

IMDB:
Phantom 6.6
Clones 6.5
Sith 7.5
Average: 6.8

Awakens 7.9
Jedi 7.0
Skywalker 6.6
Average: 7.1

MRQE:
Phantom 67
Clones 67
Sith 77
Average: 70

Awakens: 81
Jedi: 81
Skywalker: 63
Average: 75

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Woke critics and bot farms wont change my mind. The sequels destroyed Han, Luke and had some of the most ridiculous scenes ever put on film.

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LOL!!!! Of course you would deny stats. Fake news, right? Bahahahahaha!

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Bwahahaha you actually think those stats are legit. They still destroyed Luke and Han, no comment on that right

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Of course you would say they are fake. Why don't you fetch a screen shot of one of your fake sites to combat them?

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Kukuxu already explained it to you..Are you going to deny they ruined Luke and Han in favor of Mary Sue Rey?

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You going to deny that the mass majority prefer tfa over the prequels? You wouldn't lie now would you? You are too ethical for that right?

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You certainly would and we know you love the sequels and think Black Panther is a great film..gee I wonder why?

Cause you're a SJW cuck.. Get back to your dockyard the sailors miss you

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Nice deflection. I wonder why you dislike Black Panther? Surely you have logical reasons as to why the film is bad right? Or do you hate it for some other reason you aren't saying? Here is your chance why is that film bad?

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It's not terrible but its not Oscar material either. Its a run of the mill superhero film and its highly overated. I liked Wesley Snipes Blade better

https://youtu.be/4QlvENXjK-s

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Where did I ever say it was Oscar material? I liked the film, I never did say it was Oscar worthy. Not a fan of Critical Drinker his criticisms are lazy and he praises a lot of movies which are cliché. Figures you would like a guy like that, his critiques are basic and shallow. SJW, Mary Sue, that is literally the bulk of his critiques.

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The Oscars said it was Oscar material when they nominated it.

Not a fan of Critical Drinker his criticisms are lazy and he praises a lot of movies which are cliché


LOL yeah ok. You just don't like him cause he's not PC and doesn't praise films YOU like

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So? Why is it my fault they nominated the film? Do I control what the Oscars nominate? Also just curious okay what is Oscar worthy then?

No he harps on films being cliché and then turns around and praises Joker as if it is the sweetest thing since sliced bread. That is derivative of King Of Comedy and Taxi Driver. Nope I dislike him because I think his jokes are unfunny and people like yourself think he is clever. Figures though you dislike something as soon as you do not like it's message or politics. I unlike you judge films and give logical reasons as to why I like or dislike it. Not just meh I hate it's politics. By citing his video it shows you can't think for yourself. I unlike you do not need to be fed my opinion by a stupid youtuber.

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" I dislike him because I think his jokes are unfunny and people like yourself think he is clever."

As I said you just don't like him cause he's not on YOUR team.

Good for you ya smug prick

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What part of his jokes are unfunny and his criticisms are shallow and lazy did you miss? Does any of that have anything to do with you? You realize I can turn that right back around on you? You like him because he plays for your team. People like you are fun to slap.

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Go slap your little dick. Btw calling him lazy isn't an argument. What points of his do you disagree with?

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Thought so. You need to leave the country man. Your guy is not in and your views are outdated.

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And there it is LOL you've somehow brought Trump into this like a total SJW cuck. Rent Free 24-7

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You brought up Black panther and SJW. Therefore I figured it was okay for me to go off topic as well.

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Except Black Panther and the Sequels were specifically made to appeal to SJWs therefore I was on topic.

You couldn't resist bringing Trump into it cause that's what you base your whole identity off of.

So go put your "force is female" shirt on, your pink pussy hat and slap your little dick to Black Panther. Too bad there won't be a sequel worth a shit. Wacancer forever LOL

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We were discussing Disney Star Wars vs the prequels not Black Panther.

Oh I had to because you wear your stupid politics on your sleeve so I am going to start doing it.

Wow are you seriously mocking the cancer of Chadwick Boseman? Rather low mocking a sickness of an innocent man just because you may not have liked a film that person was in. Honestly bud I am disgusted.

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You always "wear your politics on your sleeve" so nothing new

Don't care if you're disgusted.

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I know you don't care because you are a bigot POS!

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Aww u mad? Its fun trollin you

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Man caveman grammar hurts my eyes.

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If you buy into the Mary Sue nonsense, it's no wonder you prefer the prequels. And no, for the record, I think Han and Luke were both very well represented in the latest films, Han especially. His explanation of the Force to Rey gives me chills just thinking about it, and his love for his son despite everything he'd done, though perhaps something only a father can understand, was heart-wrenching. Meanwhile, literally nothing in the prequels makes it past the "unintentionally comedic" stage.

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Han couldn't fix his own ship yet Rey bypassed some bullshit having never been on it.

Luke was the most hopeful character in the OT and turned into some green milk drinking loner who gave up on life.

So no they weren't represented very well at all

Also Rey had no "Heroes Journey" story arc like Luke or Anakin. She just pops on the scene as an OP can do it all Mary Sue. You mean to tell me she could really beat Luke? Ha

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OH, WILL YOU STOP POSTING THOSE STUPID FIGURES AT US ALL THE TIME, YOU KUATO MORON???

I SWEAR you've got it stored away in a text file and you copy it to the Clipboard every time you go on a Star Wars forum here and post it all over the place!

Those figures are MEANINGLESS, KUATORISES! GET RID OF THEM!!!

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The prequels were bad when they came out, but looks much better now in the wake of episode 7-9 + Rogue One.

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Rogue One has higher ratings than the entire prequel trilogy - both fans and critics - LOL!!!! As pointed out above, so are the sequels in most cases.

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Rogue One didn't feel much like Star Wars. That's my biggest gripe with it.

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You are wrong there. Rogue One is the most Star Wars-ish thing that Disney Star Wars has done so far, aside from the excellent Mandalorian series.

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I disagree. Solo felt more Star Wars. Mainly because of the excellent main performance.

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I couldn't stand Solo. How an Imperial officer gave him his name, how he met Chewie, the stupid train heist, that ridiculous robot standing up for Droid rights and how she got uploaded to the Millennium Falcon mainframe, and most of all, the depiction of the Kessel Run which should've been left solely in our imaginations, and everything else about it.

HATED Solo. HATED it.

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Kinda funny you guys are arguing which one felt more like Star Wars - I never watched either one and felt "This doesn't look like Star Wars." The newer movies absolutely nailed the look. The effects, costumes, use of real environment - it all looked very much like Star Wars.

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The Prequels looked like Star Wars as well.

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TPM did, sure. The other two didn't even look real, let alone like Star Wars.

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(ohforgod'ssake)

To be honest, Kuato, I don't CARE anymore. Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things?

Star Wars is a STORY, FICTION, nothing more. Who cares if the quality varies?

If there was a nuclear war tomorrow and humanity was 90% wiped off the face of the Earth, believe me, Star Wars would be FURTHEST from their minds.

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Why can you criticize the ones you don't like, but others can't? That's hypocrisy.

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Everyone has a personal preference, it's a fact of life. I shouldn't care what critics or audiences - STRANGERS - think, but I suppose I like to be in common company. A lot of the time, however, I'm not.

I do wonder why people like movies like the ST that are inherently bad or unoriginal or have an agenda, but if younger generations are liking them more and more, then I guess that's us seniors screwed and we're ending up as dead as the dodo. So be it.

In the case of Star Wars, I've just about given up on the whole thing. It's just a repeating cycle after another, generation after generation, and it's all meaningless if the struggles of Luke, Leia and Han amounted to NOTHING in the end, and evil returned once again just like that.

Real-life scenario: We, as a world population, defeated fascism and nazism in a massive bloody world war, and luckily, something like 76 years later, they threaten to return, but haven't done so just yet. We must continue to be vigilant if that's the price of continued peace.

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Seeing some martial arts guy in Rogue One didn't feel very SW. That's just one example.

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Um.. Have you ever seen a Star Wars?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdJnoL4KR8g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp91xlsaKSo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOl55h1HcZE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL5QYU0n5n8

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Before making my comment I thought: "Now someone will mention Darth Maul". And voila! Thanks for the clips, though.

Although many people like Donnie Yen's character in Rogue One, it just gave me more IP man vibes than SW.

I will see the film again. I feel I might have missed something.

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I went along with the ride, and the charm. All the things you mention worked fine for me.

But again, it was the main lead performance that made that film work.

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at least the Prequels are real Star Wars films. the new ones are fan fiction by Disney...

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People who say things like, 'DiSNeY StAr wArS" can't be taken seriously.

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The prequels were not very good, but were enjoyable for the most part. And they were Star Wars movies.

The sequels were completely unenjoyable and were not Star Wars movies.

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"The prequels were not good and I know they are not good, but I liked them because Lucas made them and I am a biased man-child, so I pretend that I like them."

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Say what you want about the prequels, at least they told a coherent story. The Disney movies are atrocious.

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Meh. For starters, this is a copout. You are making it so someone can't criticize the prequels with your qualifying statement. You are saying quality is irrelevant because they were planned out. This is faulty logic.

1. The originals weren't planned out and became the most popular franchise ever made.
2. Planned or not planned doesn't matter. Execution and quality do.

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For starters, this is a copout. You are making it so someone can't criticize the prequels with your qualifying statement.


That’s rich coming from the guy who said “the Luke complaints [in The Last Jedi] are not valid”. Who’s really trying to make it so others can’t criticize? 😜

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You just tried to make an argument that these two opinions were equal. You go sit inthe corner and think about that, you big dummy.

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Say what you want about the prequels, at least they told a coherent story. The Disney movies are atrocious.

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The Luke complaints are not valid
posted a month ago by kuatorises (2974)
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The Mandalorian brought back a major complaint about this movie: Luke Skywalker. Men crying because they got to see Luke in his prime. "That is my Luke." Hogwash. ROTJ Luke is the worst Luke of them all.

For starters, NO ONE is the exactly the same person throughout their life. People change, then change again. Sometimes they are variations of the same personality type, sometimes they do a 180; then a 180 back to who they were years ago. Expecting him to be the same guy as he was when he's in his 20s is absurd.

Don't get me wrong, it was mildly cool seeing Luke stroll up in his X-Wing and show his power, but it was also extremely cliche too. He's walking around swinging his saber against insurmountable odds (dozens of enemies). It was a classic "more/bigger is better" situation. Totally cliche. Nothing special about it.

I liked it to an extent, but I also had no problem with his display of power in TLJ. I actually liked that quite a bit. It was a huge display of power and different. It was new. Unique. Not standard. He did something no one ever did (on screen) before. It wasn't the typical swinging of the lightsaber against hordes of opponents either, mowing them down with easy. That's lazy. Typical. Expected. And kind of anti-climatic.

That being said, the action was the only part I liked about his appearance in Mando. I don't like Luke's personality from

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That being said, the action was the only part I liked about his appearance in Mando. I don't like Luke's personality from that era. I never have. ROTJ Luke sucks. He was my faorite character growing up, but he has ALWAYS bothered me in ROTJ. He has no personality. He's Mace Windu-level wooden.He's not interesting because he's too busy walking around brooding and acting like he HAS TO act like he has no personality. His obsession with "saving" Vader is also a huge turnoff. People complained about him in TLJ, but I liked him much more than ROTJ Luke. He had a personality. Luke from ANH, TESB has personality too. He showed emotion. He got angry or happy. He smiled, yelled, and acted like a normal human. ROTJ Luke does not. Mando brought back that bland Luke and I don't like it.

Not to mention, Mark Hamill is damn near 70. They are not going to show him flipping and jumping like a kid. Do you want more stuff like CGI Christopher Lee jumping? Because I don't and that's what it would require to make a near 70year old man do these things.
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You actually copied and pasted everything 😂🤣

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That wasn't my argument at all and you know it. But you keep shilling for the Disney corp.!

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You have no argument. You haven't said ANYTHING except, "diSnEY StAr wArS!" You've made no attempt at making a point.

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