Hard to watch because
I don't like the Argentine pope at all. He doesn't speak English so not sure why they have him speaking fluent English.
shareHe pisses me off in this film thinking he is god above God Himself.
shareHow do you know he doesn't speak the word of God?
shareIf God changes then he isn't God but a mere creature. Change implies fallibility, imperfect, not all knowing. That type of theology is rooted in protestantism, void of the rationale when they stripped it off their belief system, hence why the atheistic world birthed by protestantism can't fathom the rationale with God/theology as their origin has them divided and separate.
Is Pope Francis right and the apostles, the apostolic father's, and the doctors of the Church wrong? What is the rational decision here? Pope Francis unfortunately lives in the heresy of the world and instead of influencing it, is influenced by it. The dwindling of Catholicism of the West isn't because of conservatism, it is because of relativism and the weakened stand if the Church since Vatican 2 and the weak catechism of the laity and the priesthood as exemplified by the Pope. You can only blame the laity for the poor Catholicism to an extent especially since the Church and it's priests refuse clarity and rationality of 2,000 years of theology handed down by the Apostles, the apostolic fathers, and doctors of the Church.
Well stated.
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God might not change, but the Church certainly does. Within Catholicism, it changes; consider the "no meat on Fridays" thing or the altering doctrine of celibacy, for example. But the Church has also changed through the ages with the Eastern/Western split (Orthodox and Catholic), not to mention the Protestant Reformation, the Church of England, and so forth.
There are dietary laws in the Old Testament, not applied in the New. Likewise with much of the Mosaic Laws laid down in the Pentateuch. Paul admonishes women to cover their heads in Church - I don't think many do that anymore.
If God doesn't change, you need to grapple with these verses, examples, and alterations.
I would put forward that it is more doctrinally correct to assume that God does not change, but our relationship with Him does, and that allows for the differences of approach to Him.
Eye for an eye became turn the other cheek: this is an expanded understanding of God - not a change in God, but in relationship. Yes?
The bottom line, too, is to recognise that human attempts to bridge the gap between God and man are just that: attempts. The Catholic Church - as any Church - might get something wrong, perhaps for hundreds or thousands of years. One of the messages of the film is the humility to recognise when one might have got something wrong, or less correct than one could have.
No offense but all those supposed changes that led to mass murders within a few years, torture and murder of babies, sexual molestation and rape of prepubescent and young men are not the changes I would brag about nor encourage. There is only 1 Church, man made traditions have no authority over God nor over apostolic traditions.
shareThe change in dietary law lead to molestation and rape?
Or was it turn the other cheek?
Or were you talking about Vatican II?
Do you think a woman uncovering her hair in church as an acceptable tenet of a given church's principles would spark riots and death? And, if it did, is that because the church was going against God and this head-covering murder is sanctified by Divine principle, or because man is flawed and sinful?
Which change in doctrine was it that precipitates these changes?
"The dwindling of Catholicism of the West isn't because of conservatism, it is because of relativism and the weakened stand if the Church since Vatican 2 and the weak catechism of the laity and the priesthood as exemplified by the Pope."
That's considerably off. Christianity and religion are general are dwindling because they are two thousand year old technologies that are showing their age. Just as paganism dwindled because it was plainly no longer the best explanation of the universe, now Christianity is going the same thing. Everyone can see through it as made up absurdities based on little that's real and it's only stumbling along on its last legs because of inherent tradition. Nothing else keeps it up.