How is this sustainable?


I’m more of a casual sci fi fan instead of a Star Wars fan and it’s pretty good. But my biggest takeaway from this series is how expensive it looks. It’s obviously big budget and approaches movie quality. How can Disney just throw money at a series like this for viewing without going behind a paywall? Not that I mind. Yea I know we are paying for the D+ subscription, but people are paying for it anyway, and most likely getting D+ to watch The Little Mermaid or whatever.

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I think there are two economic factors going on: The first is that filmmakers have gotten better at making stuff look amazing for less cost, like how the makers of "Game of Thrones" used to brag that their spectacular show cost a quarter of the same sort of thing would have cost in a feature film. The other is that Disney+ streaming is very new, it debuted a little over a year ago, and "The Mandalorian" is a "loss leader" - that is, something that is meant to lose money but to bring in new subscribers. In that, I think it's been a success, the show is popular, Disney+ has 80 mil subscribers and rising, and they're selling so many Baby Yoda toys and crap that the royalties may be offsetting the cost of the show. Because like people said, the reason Disney bought the Star Wars franchise wasn't for the movie profits - it was for the right to sell Star Wars toys to every child on Earth!

Disney+ is also, FYI raising its monthly fee next year - from $6 a month to $8 a month. Still a good deal, IMHO.

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Disney+ is the paywall. Subscribers 87M (Dec 10), annual fee $70. Annual revenue $6.1B!

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They are not in location as much now and have a better system instead of green screen. They have huge digital screens for the many of backdrops now. So less time in the editing and effects rooms.

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Yeah - those digital screens are pretty awesome - easier for the actors to immerse themselves and no need for additional lighting.

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How can Disney just throw money at a series like this for viewing without going behind a paywall?
You're kidding right? You know how many billions of dollars Disney is worth? I think they can afford it.

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That's not how it works. You don't make movies to lose money.

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I could be completely wrong in this but this is just my thoughts.

They can make the show look as good as they do because they own ILM, Lucas's special effects production company. So it's not like another studio who has to shop around and use other companies to do their effects. It's in house so therefore cheaper. Again, I could be wrong, I am sure someone else has more knowledge of that.

I also think you'll have to watch as the show progresses. I feel like most shows always start out with a big budget and great looking effects. But, as the show loses interest (as many do) or the company wants to cut costs, that's when effects begin to get cheap. the Christopher Reeves Superman franchise being an example of that. However, I feel these producers/creators are aware of when a show needs to end as opposed to keeping it running longer than it should. So we may not get to that point in production.

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Lots of people without kids are paying for D+ just to see this show. And lots of people with kids already own their favorite animated movies on DVD, so they wouldn't pay for D+ if there wasn't some high end new content.

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From what I've read, The Mandalorian costs about $15 million per episode. By comparison, The Crown on Netflix runs about $13 million per episode. So this kind of spending for the streaming services is not unheard of.

As someone else mentioned, The Mandalorian is the only reason many people even have a D+ subscription.

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That much? That's monumentally expensive... yet if they show 8 episodes a year, that's $120 mil in production costs... which is LESS than a Marvel or Star Wars movie that runs two hours! Something like a fifth of the cost per hour!

Which is undoubtedly worth it to Disney, they know how to play the long game, and if the show itself isn't directly profitable then I'm sure their streaming service is - or will be before long.

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Yeah, I thought the same thing. That's a hell of a lot for a TV show, but if you consider that the cost of an entire season of The Mandalorian is only like half the budget of one Marvel or SW movie it starts to sound a lot more reasonable.

I'm sure they know what they're doing.

What amazes me is the billions of dollars that Netflix has spent on original programming. It's crazy they can spend that kind of money and stay profitable but apparently they can.

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I don't really follow the business world, but even I have heard that there's something funny about Netflix's finances. Like, they spend more on their programming than seems reasonable.

Disney, on the other hand, is in a definitely in a position to spend money to make money.

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Condisering Netflix is spending close to that for a lot of their shit shows that don't have established fanbases, whereas disney knows there is a market for this and can easily justify it. Not to mention it's made so can't binge it meaning they get people sticking around longer. Netflix people binge a show and then that's it.

Honestly the way shows are going this will potentially be the new norm knowing they need to spend the money to make a good tv show that draws people in. Not netflixs model of throwing everything at the wall hoping something sticks.

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