No they aren't because movies like this fail.
If you met a person who never had a cheeseburger, and gave them one made of ground liver with goat cheese, they would probably find it gross. That's because those things taste gross to most humans and it's never going to be good. If you gave them same person a real cheeseburger, they would probably like it.
That's because a cheeseburger is a "brand" and one that is well likely due to the elements of the brand. People like that cut of meat, they like that kind of cheese, and like that kind of bread. The elements of a cheeseburger are a winning brand.
So, there's MANY TIME TESTED elements to classic Superheroes. If you remove them and replaced them with others that aren't time tested, you will have failure. You can't use ground liver for a cheeseburger, ever. It you want to use ground goat meat, you are taking a huge risk. Why take it since you know what type of burgers people have been buying for many decades?
The same thing applies to these stories. People like the Harley from the animated series. She got to be so popular they put her in comics. If you change what made her popular then guess what, people will no longer like the character.
This isn't "Nerd" it's actually talking about this stuff as a business.
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KD637 (488)
4 years ago
"Movies like this fail." - that's where you're wrong. It failed because of many other reasons ranging from "wokeness", bad marketing, bad concept to plain bad writing. And I can factually prove this - 1. Why didn't the Nolan's Batman fail even though it changed so much from the source material? Why didn't Joker fail even though it has so little to do with the original character? And btw, the same could be asked about Ledger's Joker which was so universally praised and again had even less to do with any of his original depictions. They didn't fail because they were good movies made by people with a vision.
As for the cheeseburgers - McDonalds only arrived to my country some 20 years ago and I find the food there disgusting. But a fine home made cheeseburger with tasty whole wheat bread and high quality cheese is something I often enjoy. My point? Yeah, grounded goat liver and basic bitch Harley Queens suck, but high quality burgers with fine cheese are better than McDonald's shit.
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TheAdlerian (2092)
4 years ago
You do not understand the point.
Wokeness would be part of changing the brand. You are saying the same thing about burgers.
People want what the know the brand to be.
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KD637 (488)
4 years ago
You do not understand the point.
I clearly acknowledged that wokeness would be part of changing the brand, but for the worse. My point was that you can change the brand for the better. Or even if not for the better, then different but just as good.
All in all it's a nice little theory you so ardently defend but I'm telling you it's simply not supported by evidence. The true reason for the fail of any movie lies in old 2 factors that are relevant for any movie, based on a brand or not - quality and popularity. You see what I'm getting at? I can throw a bunch of movies at you that are successful or unsuccessful irrelevant of whether they changed the brand or stuck to it, but you can throw almost any movie at me and I'll explain that it failed because it either sucked and/or had anything from
-unknown crew
-bad marketing
-unpopular concept, character, setting, ideas...
-bad timing, etc.
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TheAdlerian (2092)
4 years ago
It is supported by evidence.
All the classic comics have been around for almost 100 years.
Whenever they make a film about superheroes that violates the brand, it tends to fail. Comedy superhero movies have failed, changing powers fails, changing characters fails, and so on.
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