You didn't answer, where are you from? You made a point asking where I was from. Unlucky for you, I live an hour away from the border, and have actually met, worked with, and got drunk with living and breathing Scots.
I'm betting you're from bumblefuc, Idaho, U.S. of A, and need subtitles to watch Trainspotting. If you've ever heard of Trainspotting, seeing as you're 14-24 years old and only ever talk about Disney I.P.s on here, mostly comic book movies.
John Rhys Davies has the stagiest Scottish accent, that's not even consistent, if you watch the films it breaks into Rhys Davies shouty English, and a bit of Welsh twang, so it's a mixture.
That's besides the point. Peter Jackson let the cast bring any accent to the table with the Dwarves, and Hobbits.
Rings of Power have rubber-stamped Hobbits to be Irish, and Dwarves to be Scottish, which slams us into our World, and not Middle Earth.
You claimed:
>He clearly has a thick scottish accent. As did nearly all of the Dwarves in the Hobbit
Wrong. I proved that.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcYTMbtE7AI&ab_channel=Miss_clouds_extra
A mix of Scottish, English, Irish, Yorkshire. Same with the Hobbits, a mixture.
Rings of Dour: Dwarfs= Scottish. Hobbits= Irish.
You also said it would be weird if the Dwarves and Harhobbits didn't have the same accent, but went onto to explain the different accents of the Peter Jackson films.
>Merry also had a west country accent, the odd one out was Pippin who also had a scottish accent. Thorin, Bilbo and Frodo all had neutral accents
So those are weird or not weird, are you going to contradict yourself?
You followed on with.....
>which means they could belong to any region and come from well to do backgrounds.
No, Samwise Gamgee is born and bred in the Shire, same as Pippin, same as Merry. Different accents in one community. Even Sméagol and Déagol had different accents. So that's weird because they didn't want to commit to all Scottish or all Irish? It's weirder that they would have all Irish Hobbit's because that plants it directly in our World, and paints the Irish as whimsical, simpletons, fools.
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alienzen (1929)
2 years ago
No, I never asked where you were from.
I don't know why you are arguing over the consistency of Gimli's accent, the point was, he has a scottish accent and this series by no means invented the concept of Dwarves having scottish accents.
I already pointed out that Pippin had a different accent. The reason being that the actor is scottish. None of the American's used their native accents, for obvious reasons. So their accents are clearly deliberate. Frodo has a posh accent, because he is posh. And Sam has a west country accent. Probably because it is associated with small rural towns. The orcs typically have london accents, because they represent industrialization. Dwarves tend to have scottish accents, probably because they are a hardy earthy folk, which is associated with scottishness. Clearly the film makers did not make it a priority to give them a specific accent though, which is why pippin has the same accent as the actor playing him. Notice though that none of the hobbits dwarves or elves ever have a cockney accent. The orcs almost always do. So they have an accent convention, it is just not strict and they probably just did accents that they imagined their characters would have.
Evidently in The Rings of Power they were more conscious with the accents, and as I have suggested, that might have somethign to do with the race bending. since they have black hobbits all mixed together with white ones, it makes them seem more homogenous all having the same accent.
Ireland is also a largely rural country, and it's an accent that sounds more freindly than say a yorkshire or scottish accent. It also makes you think of leprechauns, who are small people who live in the forest. And it's probably easier for a lot of people to do than welsh or geordie. Birmingham is associated with industrialization, to a lesser extent maybe than cockney, but still it is not a rural accent. It's also hard for a lot of people to do and makes people sound dull.
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mitzibishi (1617)
2 years ago
aah wakey wakey rise and shine, it's 10am Mountain time.
"this series by no means invented the concept of Dwarves having scottish accents."
But not rubber-stamping that all Dwarves as Scots and all Hobbits as Irish. It takes it out of Middle Earth and plops us here and now.
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alienzen (1929)
2 years ago
right, because modern day Ireland is full of black hobbits.
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mitzibishi (1617)
2 years ago
So you're saying there are no black people in Ireland?
The show writers think the Irish are dirty-faced, simple-minded scamps, and that's OK.
>I already pointed out that Pippin had a different accent.
But you said it would be weird if they had different accents when (as shown below) coming from the same place. So do you think Peter Jacksons Hobbits are weird because they have differing accents, or are you going to allow yourself a contradiction?
>It would make sense that the Dwarves of Khazad-Dum all have the same accent, as would the Harfoots who all live together. If they somehow had different accents, THAT would be weird.
It's weirder that they've been rubber-stamped as Irish now, and quite offensive in my opinion, especially when none of the Harhobbits are actually Irish themselves.
>and it's an accent that sounds more freindly than say a yorkshire or scottish accent.
Wrong. Studies have shown that "Yorkshire accent is often seen as wise, trustworthy, honest and straightforward". So much so that major companies have been using it in advertising for years, and call centre customer service.
https://matinee.co.uk/blog/the-impact-of-accents-on-advertising/#:~:text=The%20Yorkshire%20accent%20is%20often,product%20or%20service%20from%20them.
https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/18813547.yorkshire-trustworthy-accent-uk-says-survey/
https://matinee.co.uk/blog/prefer-regional-accents-advertising/
https://www.prolificnorth.co.uk/featured/features/2013/02/eck-accents-are-back-fashion-tha-nos
https://contact-centres.com/yorkshire-accent-best-for-customer-service-survey-reveals/
> and as I have suggested, that might have somethign to do with the race bending. since they have black hobbits all mixed together with white ones, it makes them seem more homogenous all having the same accent.
OK you win the Olympic Gold for mental Gymnastics.
>It also makes you think of leprechauns
LMAO you think of leprechauns when you think of the Irish??!!
You still refuse to disclose your location. So I'm right then, bumblefuc, nowhere, middle of U.S.A.
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alienzen (1929)
2 years ago
Ireland is more racially homogenous than England. It definitely does not look anything like these hobbits demographically.
I am saying it logically makes more sense for them all to have the same accent than having different accents. Since you appear to be complaiining about it. Since it makes sense, and they have to pick some real world accent, and it should be an accent native to the british isles, then Irish fits the bill. So then, they have to settle on an accent, and whichever one they chose you would be complaining about it. Irish works fine for me.
I suggested Irish sounding friendly of the top of my head, and for some reason you posed FIVE LINKS to prove that yorkshire accents are trustworthy. which is presumably applies to people in the UK, I doubt Americans would even recognise a yorkshire accent, but they do recognise Irish accents. Since.... you know, this show is aimed a global audience.
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mitzibishi (1617)
2 years ago
>I am saying it logically makes more sense for them all to have the same accent
But not all look the same (not that it matters).
>Since it makes sense
Only to you, it makes sense because the Irish remind you of Leprechauns. Peter Jacksons hobbits and dwarves didn't all have the same accents. Even though you claimed it was weird. It makes zero sense to suddenly tag all Hobbits as Irish because it plumps it directly in our world, not the world of Middle Earth. And like I said, it's pretty insulting to the Irish.
>I suggested Irish sounding friendly of the top of my head
Of course you did, because you can't back it up with any evidence to support your theory.
>for some reason you posed FIVE LINKS to prove that yorkshire accents are trustworthy.
5 links more than you, my moronic friend. You magicked yours up from thin air.
>I doubt Americans would even recognise a yorkshire accent, but they do recognise Irish accents. Since.... you know, this show is aimed a global audience.
Wait, you just contradicted yourself within the same point (not the first time you've contradicted yourself here).
>I doubt Americans----this show is aimed a global audience.
Mind blown.
>I doubt Americans would even recognise a yorkshire accent
1. America is a continent, or are you speaking for everybody in South America too?
2. What has recognition of an accent by people from the U.S.A. got to do with it being used in a fantasy setting, when the Yorkshire accent, and many other accents have already been used multiple times without being well known by U.S.A. audiences. The Yorkshire accent has been used multiple times already to great effect, Sean Bean has used it multiple times, and it didn't hinder Samwise Gamgee & Hagrid from Harry Potter having a West Country accent even though, shock horror, very few in the good old U S of A could give it name recognition.
I'm still waiting to hear where you're actually from, although, we already know, it's not hard to tell.
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alienzen (1929)
2 years ago
All of that was too lame to bother replying to.
If you really are so desperate to know where I am from, I grew up in and around Birmingham, except for two years when I was living close to Glasgow(that's a city in Scotland), lived in Newcastle for a year, Sheffield for several years, lived in Spain for 4 years and have lived in Germany for over 10.
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mitzibishi (1617)
2 years ago
Yeh, you contradicting yourself multiple times is a bit tough to wriggle your way out of. Dug a hole deep enough your mental gymnastics couldn't triple flip out of it.
"If you really are so desperate to know where I am from"
Yah and you think "America" is a country, and write in "American English", and think "Leprechauns" when you think of Ireland, pull the other one mate.
All that life experience, culture soaked in, possible 2nd, 3rd languages spoken, and the only movies you ever talk about are comic book movies and franchises. Your whole post history is comic book movies LMAO You're 12-24 years old bruv. From Middle "America".
I'll humour you, which years did you spend in the toon?
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alienzen (1929)
2 years ago
No, I did not refer to America as a country, I referred to inhabitants of the USA as Americans, which is the correct and only word that is used to describe American citizens(I used the word American here again correctly).
Use google if you are still confused.
adjective
adjective: American
relating to or characteristic of the United States or its inhabitants.
relating to the continents of America.
"the American continent south of the tropic of Cancer"
noun
noun: American; plural noun: Americans
1.
a native or citizen of the United States.
a native or inhabitant of any of the countries of North, South, or Central America.
2.
the English language as it is used in the United States; American English.
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mitzibishi (1617)
2 years ago
Hilarious how quick you are to rectify any mistakes, and quick to turn your back on all the contradictions and goofed logic you came up with.
You called Americans the global audience. As if only "Americans" exist. Below......
>I doubt Americans would even recognise a yorkshire accent, but they do recognise Irish accents. Since.... you know, this show is aimed a global audience.
>I use American English because I am writing on the internet, and American English is most widely used.
That's some messed up logic. As if "Americans" or anybody else will have trouble reading and understanding an extra U in Color or a S in Rationalized. Europeans mostly write with British English and have zero troubles with "Americans" understanding it.
>It bugs me when I am using a different spelling to people I am replying to
So you cow tow to others and go against what you're native to, which everybody understands anyway? Mind truly boggled mate.
>American English is most widely used.
It's the difference between an S and Z or O and U here and there, nobody has any difficulty with this. Only you, seemingly, strangely.
>Immature people think that taste in books or movies are a mark of character.
No, when a pattern emerges, it's acceptable to point out. Like if somebody brags about being a fine food connoisseur, then you see McDonald's boxes all over their front room floor, it's totally acceptable to call them out.
You claim to have all this life experience, living in multiple countries, soaking up culture, possible multiple languages spoken. Yet for the last 3 years here, you've only ever consumed and talked about comic book movies and franchises. Which leads me to believe you're full of it. So you like McDonald's, and thats OK.
>I am mature enough to not need to try to impress other people with my movie collection.
So you don't talk about other movies because you think its bragging? It's adolescent to only talk about comic book movies and consume all the garbage TV shows on top. Don't get me wrong, I like a well-made comic book movie, but constantly, consistently, only, year-on-year?
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alienzen (1929)
2 years ago
We were talking about the appeal of regional British accents. Non native speakers are not going to recognize regional accents, so the only global audience relative to the conversation are native English speakers. The vast majority of native English speakers are American.
The rest of your post is just absurd invective, and I don't care what think, or claim to think, so I am not gong to waste my time with it.
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mitzibishi (1617)
2 years ago
"We were talking about the appeal of regional British accents."
So who on this planet didn't find the appeal of Sean Bean's Sheffield accent that he's been using for years, who spoke up about the dwarves in The Hobbit films all having different accents, or Samwise Gamgee's west country accent, or the other Hobbits having different accents, or Hargrids west country accent? I've never heard a complaint over fantasy characters from the same group using different accents in fantasy settings?
The complaint now is tagging all the Harhobbits with Irish accents because it takes us out of middle earth and labels the Hobbits as "Irish". Which is pretty insulting to the Irish.
You're basing your whole argument on accent recognition? When it never mattered before, so why does accent recognition matter now, have people become so dumb that they need to be spoon-fed Hobbits as Irish because they might get confused hearing differing accents they don't know the name of? Your logic is dun goofed, man. You're doing quadruple somersaults in the mental gymnastics right now.
>I don't care what think
M'kay.
So which years did you live in the toon then?
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alienzen (1929)
2 years ago
I just realized you must have been looking through 3 years of my post history.....weird.
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mitzibishi (1617)
2 years ago
woweee flicked through a few pages of your post logs! What a massive effort on my part!
All for corporate IPs!
You're the perfect corporate lapdog. Pay your subscriptions on time, consume product, defend product no matter how bad, keep consuming, keep loving it, keep paying subscriptions.
It's pretty weird for somebody that claims to be 30-50 years old, claims to have lived in multiple cities and countries for years. Possibly speaking multiple languages. Born and bred in good old England, but writes in American-English in fear that nobody will understand British-English.
Pretty strange that all you consume is franchises, comic book movies/TV shows, corporate IPs, rarely ever talking about other movies. That's a bit weird mate. Maybe widen your pallet a bit, instead of lapping up whatever your corporate overlords throw you as a scooby snack.
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alienzen (1929)
2 years ago
Please tell me what Movies and TV shows I ought to be consuming.
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mitzibishi (1617)
2 years ago
Maybe you should peek out from behind your curtains and find out for yourself.
Something exists out there, outside of Disney product. Find it, liberate yourself.
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alienzen (1929)
2 years ago
I use American English because I am writing on the internet, and American English is most widely used. It bugs me when I am using a different spelling to people I am replying to, and also bugs me when the browser automatically underlines in red when I write an English spelling. So I accustomed myself to using American English.
Also. why are you looking through my post history? Immature people think that taste in books or movies are a mark of character. I am mature enough to not need to try to impress other people with my movie collection. That is what adolescents do. I have seen all of the classic movies already, and don't feel a need to talk about them. I like to talk about things that are coming out now, and I am mostly into sci-fi and fantasy, which is rarely done well on a low budget . One exception is the movie Ink, which is one of my all time favorites. It's over 10 years old at this point, and I don't feel the need to talk about it.
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mitzibishi (1617)
2 years ago
>No, I never asked where you were from.
>I don't know where you are from, but.......
As if you were going to dismiss my points because I may live on a different continent.
I answered, and asked where YOU were from.
You refuse to answer, because YOU live on a different continent, and are 12-24 years old, looking at your post history. You only seem to consume franchises, mostly from Disney corp.
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alienzen (1929)
2 years ago
Because you implied in the previous post that I was from the USA because I thought he had a thick scottish accent......
We are discussing a tv series, and you start asking personal details about me, and continue to ask after I have declined to answer. You evidently want to make the discussion about me, rather the TV series we are discussing. I am not interested.
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Miyagido (2944)
2 years ago
In a discussion about accents it's not exactly off topic to ask someone's location in the world, and it's not exactly like you were asked to post your home address.
edit: Scottish is capitalised btw ;)
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