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This show is going to be a woke dumpster fire. Nerdrotic explains it well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h8eAidTvTM

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a nerdy white man telling what's what?
oh hell no

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That's a pretty signifigant segment of their target audience.

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a nerdy white man telling what's what?
oh hell no

I couldn't help but notice you focused in on his skin colour, there, in order to discredit him. I'm sure there's a word for that...

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i'm tired of them telling me what to do and think!!

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He was expressing his opinion. Same as we all are doing. You included.

But, if his skin colour is bothering you so much, how about a black guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4c2KiUGr7Q

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black man being wise on youtube, i'm in brother

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Found the racist lol

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found the moron

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Judging by your replies to me, I was convinced you were trolling. Now I'm beginning to think that maybe you are an idiot.

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i was replying to LanceDance(prance),
homeboy

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I know, but you did so as if you took umbrage at his reply to you, which didn't scan with you being a troll.

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the WIFI in nilbog can be a bit wonky at times, we all can forgive some static on the line

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Don't like Nerdrotic, but when he's right, he's right. And when it comes to the woke cancer that has spread through out the media, he is a 100% right.

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Nobody gives a fuck about conspiracy rumors from youtube trolls!

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If you care more about the skin color of the actor's skin in this show than how they're going to fit the whole history of Numenor into a TV show...

Then you, sir, are not worthy to be a Tolkien fan!

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You got that backwards.
The showmakers care more about actors' skin color than about bringing Tolkien's vision to life.

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I'm sure you'd say the same thing if they made a show based on some African myth and filled it with white people.

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LMAO...YOU THINK LORD OF THE RINGS IS BASED ON "EUROPEAN MYTH"?

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Tolkien felt that England didn't have an adequate mythology like other European countries, so he wrote his own in the form of Middle-Earth. And as part of that he used aspects from Norse mythology. You'd know that if you were an actual Tolkien fan and not some piece of shit tranny who's only here to advocate for black elves.

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SO TOLKIEN INVENTED HIS FICTIONAL WORLD...NOT BASED ON MYTH...GOT IT...THANKS DICKHEAD.

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BE BETTER.

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BE WOKER.

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Invented his fictional world based on what he knew: European Myths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._R._Tolkien%27s_influences


I started to have high hopes for you but you're still the same imbecile ...

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THAT WAS TWO DAYS AGO...I DIDN'T GET BETTER UNTIL TODAY.😘

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._R._Tolkien%27s_influences

you are wrong.

German, Finnish, Celtish mythology was his basis

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It was, unless you believe Tolkien himself didn't know what he based his own work upon. The Kalevala, the poetic Edda and the Völsunga saga are just some examples.

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It literally is, you numbskull.

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If you care more about the skin color of the actor's skin in this show than how they're going to fit the whole history of Numenor into a TV show...

Then you, sir, are not worthy to be a Tolkien fan!

That's just the problem. The creators of this show care more about the colour of the actors' skin in this show than how they're going to fit the whole history of Numenor into a TV show. They're not trying to tell the story Tolkien never got around to tell, they have an obvious agenda to make Tolkien as accessible as possible for people of all colours and creeds. Which sounds altruistic enough, except that 1) Tolkien is already plenty accessible as is, and 2) it's still an agenda which takes precedence over the story.

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Don't make me go through my rant on how diverse the Second Age of Middle-Earth should be, and how little we know about the seven tribes of the dwarves, because if you're assuming that anyone who gets cast in this show without being lily white is just being cast for woke points then you aren't worth talking to. Why aren't you assuming that they were the best actor for the job first? Why the hell are you assuming that a white actor would do a better job?

Although if they did cast a few black elves just to keep the racists out of the fandom, then fine. They're not welcome.

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Don't make me go through my rant on how diverse the Second Age of Middle-Earth should be, and how little we know about the seven tribes of the dwarves, because if you're assuming that anyone who gets cast in this show without being lily white is just being cast for woke points then you aren't worth talking to.

The second sentence - after "because" - is a non sequitur to the first.

But we can see that minorities are being cast for woke points because of how they are cast, and how they are marketed. If you think it's just random chance, then you're an imbecile - and not worth talking to. They have even stated it up front, FFS: "It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of [author J.R.R.] Tolkien's work would reflect what the world actually looks like."

There are different ethnicities in Middle Earth, but mostly in homogenuous pockets - not integrated, as in modern Western society.

Why aren't you assuming that they were the best actor for the job first?

Because casting calls are based first and foremost on looks.

Why the hell are you assuming that a white actor would do a better job?

Why the hell are you assuming that I have assumed as much?

Although if they did cast a few black elves just to keep the racists out of the fandom, then fine. They're not welcome.

Tolkien's works remain unimpeached. The fan base remains the same. That you are upset that people don't like to be preached at, reflects solely on you. Calling people racist when they have neither said nor done anything remotely racist, tells me you must be pretty butthurt. Are there racists out there who complain because they don't want to see black people on screen? Sure, but that doesn't mean there aren't valid criticisms of the casting decisions all the same. When a diverse cast takes priority over story, it is well worth criticism.

What Tolkien fans want is an adaptation which is about Middle Earth - they don't want an adaptation which is about a message of diversity, which merely uses Middle Earth as a backdrop. This is no less true if you agree with the message, like I already do. Just don't fucking preach to me, it's not much to ask.

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So, Prof. Tolkien writes a saga of people of all nations and species coming together in a just cause, and learning to forget their differences, value the strengths of people unlike themselves, and act together for the greater good. And people like you look at that beautiful story, and all you see in this saga about the value of harmony, humility, cooperation, diversity, and forgiveness is "WHITE POWER"!!!@

Don't bother to respond. I won't hold the kind of debate you want, because you aren't worth my time. Just get the fuck out of the fandom.

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So, Prof. Tolkien writes a saga of people of all nations and species coming together in a just cause, and learning to forget their differences, value the strengths of people unlike themselves, and act together for the greater good. And people like you look at that beautiful story, and all you see in this saga about the value of harmony, humility, cooperation, diversity, and forgiveness is "WHITE POWER"!!!@

God, you're such a moron. There is absolutely nothing I said which should allow you to draw such a conclusion in the slightest. I don't know what your malfunction is, if you're just a beliggerent asshole or a self-righteous prick. But you kind of defeated yourself in the very first thing you said:

Yes, Tolkien wrote a saga about people COMING TOGETHER. Which means they WEREn't together to BEGIN WITH. How can there be a coming together if they were already together? In order to FORGET their differences, they must necessarily come from a place of being ACUTELY AWARE of them.

YOU get out of the fandom. You were never a fan. You just kind of liked the set pieces.

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You dismissed every single actor of color in this as a diversity hire and not a talent, which FYI does mark you as a racist, and unworthy of membership in the fandom or the attention of decent people.

Go rethink everything you ever believed.

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You dismissed every single actor of color in this as a diversity hire and not a talent

That would include the white actors too, wise guy. Besides, they have admitted as much, numbnuts.

which FYI does mark you as a racist

How does that follow? If they hire for diversity rather than talent, how is it racist to point it out? That doesn't even begin to make sense. Even if I were wrong on this point (which I demonstrably am not), then that would only make me wrong, not racist. Do you even know what the word means?

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I have no words for you, only finger gestures.

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That figures. You haven't had a single argument thus far, why start now?

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If skin color doesn't matter, then you should be fine with the next Black Panther being played by a white actor in the lead role.

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Another man-baby complaining about the show having diversity. How cute.

I love it when these “nerds” say the corporate elites are out-of-touch, yet they keep making billions as millions continue buying their products.

If these guys really hate these products so much, they are free to make their own thing. But that would require creativity.

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Another man-baby complaining about the show having diversity. How cute.

Try watching the video instead.

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I saw enough. It’s the same spiel of how corporate elites are supposedly out of touch because they are not catering to them.

These guys need to grow up. These corporations are making big money and millions love what they are doing with the franchises.

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I saw the whole thing, but could not see any complaints about diversity itself - after all, Middle Earth is already very diverse. The complaints were about the treatment of the source material.

These guys need to grow up. These corporations are making big money and millions love what they are doing with the franchises.

Here's the thing: you have fans who love this new treatment, and fans who hate this new treatment. Why is it those who are displeased who need to grow up? I ask this question especially to you, because your counter-arguments are certainly no more mature than the criticisms.

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These guys are making a big deal out of the changes. As if the owners owe them something. That video is just a childish tantrum.

If you don’t like something, you move on to something else. That’s how adults do it. My arguments are definitely what a mature adult would argue.

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These guys are making a big deal out of the changes. As if the owners owe them something

Why do you think Amazon bought the rights? Why do you think Disney bought the rights to Star Wars?

Because fans kept these IP's popular. Not just for years but for decades. Bought all the merch, all the books. Every bit of tat from every comic convention over the decades. Made them popular enough for multi billion dollar companies to buy and make money off.

So yes they owe the fans everything. Without the fans there would be no IP to purchase.

It will be LOTR in name only. It will be a story they wanted to tell but knew nobody would watch it and so slapped it onto a popular IP. We see it time and time again and in every case it fails. See Halo for a prime example. Standard bait and switch.

That video is just a childish tantrum.

I think you need to look up the word tantrum. At no point in the video does he have a tantrum. He expresses his concerns with lets be honest more knowledge than anyone on this board has and even points out what will be massive plot holes due to the gaps in years. No one cares for these original characters, sorry just don't.

People want to watch LOTR not Galadriel: Warrior Princess sorry geneder norm there. More likely be Galadriel: Warrior King

If you don’t like something, you move on to something else

Ah yes if you don't like it just move on. Ok then. All the original fans of this who do move on will make sure this fails miserably by not watching it. One thing that will come form this. Peter Jacksons movies will probably see a spike in viewership.

Wait until it something you love they want to destroy.

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I laughed like crazy when Nerdrotic commented about the character Celebrimbor (and the way the show portrays him) that he looks like a lesbian school mom...
BTW, he published a new video regarding the latest trailer released by Amazon Prime:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EuzthEzPbs

I love the real fans who defend authenticity (in adaptation) like Nerdrotic, Actual Justice Warrior, Disparu, and George the Giant Slayer against the vandalization of Amazon Prime.
And this is my favorite vid. :-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxHjg8pJUwY

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Remind me again why so many of the elves have curly, short, 90s boy band hair?

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Even if the Elves become rappers and the Dwarves play rock 'n' roll, Amazon Prime doesn't care. The goal of most streaming services is to rob viewers' pockets.

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At least this time the robbing of pockets will be self-inflicted on Amazon--bam!

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I love that guy :D He pretty much tells it like it is.

Both he and George the Giant Slayer revealed just how bad the background on this future crap show is, never mind what will happen when it crashes in September.

Nerdrotic revealed that the only material Amazon's writers have access to are the indexes at the back of the books. He also revealed that the two idiot scriptwriters' only claim to fame is an uncredited role in writing for a failed Star Trek movie, so they are disciples of "Bad Reboot," as Gary calls JJ Abram's studio.

George (using less curse words) revealed just how fake the "influencers" Amazon hired to promote the show were. Every single one was plucked from [British] social media and paid $1.5 million each to gush about the show like idiots on internet tv. Not one of those "superfan" fools posts anything about Tolkien on their social media pages, nor do they seem to know jack shit about even the most basic parts of the lore.

Both revealed that Amazon fired the best scholar they could get on Tolkien lore a year ago because they didn't like what he was telling them about what was canon and what wasn't. They then hired a snotty loser from some British college to be their "scholar," who would basically agree on any "changes" they made to "fix" Tolkien's lore to suit modern politics. Her knowledge of Tolkien lore would fit on the tip of a pinhead, and she seems more interested in her goth makeup and identity politics than actually using her brain.

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TELLS IT LIKE IT IT...EMPTY SKULL SPOTTED.☝🏾

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That one has empty skull -1

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Soyler alert

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Haha, haven't heard him in years. Now he has a big, fancy microphone to make his voice sound a couple octaves deeper. He used to sound like Bugs Bunny.

I'm a Tolkien purist myself, but there's one thing Gary Nerdrotic is getting wrong in all this. Those talking heads and people who want to put in woke ideas and images, they are not acting alone. They have constituencies that are telling them to do this. Tolkien has fans, but so does woke politics. They are telling the streaming services that they won't subscribe, won't buy their advertiser's products, will boycott them, if the woke stuff is not incorporated. The producers are therefore trying to straddle a fine line and make products that satisfy both, as well as the uncaring general public. Whether that can really be accomplished remains to be seen.

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Netflix's falling subscriptions say otherwise.

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You know what that's really about? People have discovered that you don't have to pay to stream stuff. It's available free all over the web. Why subscribe to 5 or 6 streaming services when you can get them all for the price of an Internet connection?

Any video that can be played on a screen can also be captured.

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If Amazon wanted to know what the viewers think, then why didn't it check the like and dislike count ratio in each trailer and teaser it released on Youtube?

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Much too late in the process

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