Has anyone seen this documentary about veganism ...
it made a big impression on me.
shareI haven't seen it yet but am planning to soon.
shareIt's really interesting. Come back and post after you see it.
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Please do not watch any more documentaries on nutrition (or really any medical topic), period. I've never seen or heard of one that isn't filled with propaganda and extremely misleading claims or outright lies. This documentary has already been debunked. We don't need stupid documentaries when we have health organizations with credible experts.
shareJust worry about yourself and what kind of BS comments you make trying to tell others what to do. If you have not watched the documentary, but you already think it has been debunked, you are debunking your own comment with your revelations of bias, not to mention just overall being a jerk.
shareThe documentary makes the claim that eating meat is harmful, and that is not true, period. I don't need to view propaganda and see the debunked claims to know they are debunked. You're so emotionally attached to this movie given how you are taking such offense over my criticism of it, you obviously won't/can't think too clearly, but it is pretty absurd to be accusing me of bias and telling you what to do when the movie is spreading misleading claims to try and change people's diets.
shareI used to think the claims of vegans were untrue or overdramatic and exaggerated, but the science is backing them up more and more. If you are so closed-mined about it, why did you watch the documentary ... or did you?
The bottom line though is that if you eat animal products you are developing atherosclerosis at some rate ... that is, you are depositing fat in your arteries. To me that qualified as harmful, even though it may be a long time before it causes a problem - it will.
You are a typical troll, sounding off obnoxiously about stuff you have not bothered to inform yourself on.
"If you are so closed-mined about it, why did you watch the documentary ... or did you?"
What kind of loaded, bullshit question is this? I'm not close-minded, I just know what credible experts recommend, and that a bunch of brainless celebrities and athletes are not going to reverse the state of our understanding of nutritional research with their anecdotes and big mouths. I haven't heard any of the credible health organizations suggesting to eat no animal products or risk an earlier death, period, so I know you are full of it. It sounds even more nutty considering people eat WAY too much meat and a bunch of other horrible unhealthy foods and can still expect to live to ripe old ages anyway, so the suggestion that a healthy diet, like the Mediterranean diet, which includes fish and some lean meats could be unhealthy sounds so fucking stupid beyond belief. You are not a dietician, so do NOT tell me what the science says. Show me how the consensus of real experts backs up your claims or this is a waste of time.
So, why are you so worried about it that you cannot even write a coherence sentence without including insults and profanity. I would not even attempt to teach you anything, you already know it all.
shareA brainless celebrity or some online nobody named "brux" really doesn't have anything to teach me, other than how humans and their cognitive biases/stupidity are destroying themselves.
Wtf is a "coherence sentence"?
OK, I just watched it. I thought it was absolutely fantastic!
Yeah, me too. Not perfect, but nothing is.
shareI'm just very thankful that more and more people - especially serious, professional athletes - are talking about veganism and how good they feel being vegan and how it's helped their performance.
There are more athletes that are vegan than were in the movie too. Many basketball players have gone vegan over the past couple of years. I guess they couldn't include every single vegan athlete in the movie, there's too many of them :-)
Do you actually care about people's 'performance' or is this really about animal rights nuttery? No one needs to go vegan to improve their performance, there is NO evidence going vegan improves performance, and a documentary by celebrities doesn't change that.
shareYes, I'm very glad these athletes are excelling and doing it all without eating dead animals or products made from tortured animals. Yes, I'm very glad about that and I thought it was an excellent film.
Why are you so bothered that there are people who love and respect animals? Why are you so obviously upset by this?
BTW it's not about celebrities it is about some of the best athletes in the world. You obviously didn't even watch this film. You should watch it, it might change your mind about some things. Meat will kill you!
Vegans act so confused when, after constantly shaming people for not adopting their diet, lying about nutritional advice, and pushing documentaries filled with BS, people start to stand up against them and get pissed off. I don't give a shit about your animal obsession "Meat will kill you": THAT IS A LIE. Get it through your thick skull. You care so much about your precious animals that you are willing to mislead people about nutrition which adversely affects everyone. So many people think they need to adopt a lousy vegan diet to be healthy that they end up doing nothing. The facts are, people need to eat more vegetables, but they do NOT need to give up all animal products. Athletes are brainless celebrities, and they may be one of the biggest causes of the spread of misinformation, as they push their lifestyles on people who think they will get the results of those who simply just have better genetics.
shareYou're so angry little troll it's funny.
After I went totally vegan my BP lowered and my bloods are those of a teenager.
Scientific evidence was presented in the movie which, of course, you haven't seen so you wouldn't know about it.
Contact the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine if you truly want to do your research.
And, aside from that, there is always the moral aspect which you, obviously, do not get.
1. Your anecdote is useless.
2. Fuck your morals.
3. Only an idiot believes that some documentary holds the key to some special insider information that I can only get the benefits of if I watch it and I can't just get access to the studies/claims they cite here online. They have been discussed in other articles. What's worse, the documentary has been created by stupid celebrities. Not only am I not required to entertain such a presentation, it will only serve to give a platform to anti-science figureheads. I'm not watching that, or Vaxxed, or In the Business of Being Born (actually I unfortunately had to watch that garbage), ANYTHING that presents some 'alternative' opinion against credible organizations.
"The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) is a non-profit research and advocacy organization based in Washington, D.C., which promotes a plant-based diet, preventive medicine, and alternatives to animal research, and encourages what it describes as "higher standards of ethics and effectiveness in research."[2] Its tax filing shows its activities as "prevention of cruelty to animals."
Are you really this dumb to think I would fall for this?
Wow, you're really insane! Potty mouth too! And lumping lots of other weird issues together that no one is discussing.
This will be my last post to you as I can see what I'm dealing with and it ain't normal.
On a last note, why not check out Kaiser Permanente's page on veganism. They're the largest medical insurance in the country, lots of doctors, lots of facts.
Ta ta and please get the help you so desperately need.
Don't call me insane, you stupid clown, when you said: "Meat will kill you!"
Nowhere on this page: https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org/health-wellness/health-encyclopedia/he.vegan-diet.abq2485
does it say ANYTHING about meat killing people. Is this the best you can do? Of course you're not responding, because you don't know what you're talking about. Vegan nuts like you don't care about people's health, you just want to protect cute animals. You don't advocate that omnivores eat more healthful foods rich in fiber, because that is NOT your interest. It's just about avoiding animal products, which gives nothing of value to how society perceives healthful eating.
And nowhere does it say meat is healthy for you! All from Kaiser Permanente:
https://lookinside.kaiserpermanente.org/many-benefits-plant-based-diet/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/
Oh my goodness and this one actually says A HEALTHIER Way to Eat:
http://www.kphealthyme.com/Healthy-Eating-Active-Living-Programs/Education-libraries/Plant-Based-Diet.aspx
But you're not interested in the truth, you're too angry and crazy and think you know it all. Poor thing!
Not interested in the truth? First of all, the first link is the opinion from a psychiatrist on what looks like some kind of blog post. I don't really understand what KP is but I am questioning its authority at this point with this simplistic type of material. On 'Nutritional Update for Physicians: Plant-Based Diets', I looked up which authors were actually dieticians, and there was one (Carole Bartolotto), who appears to have the unscientific stance of being anti-GMO. I also found on her blog a study that she purports suggests meat consumption is associated with a higher mortality. Something I found interesting from that exact study: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2540540
"Although substituting plant foods for various animal foods was associated with a lower mortality, red meat, especially processed red meat, showed a much stronger association than fish and poultry, which themselves were not associated with mortality (eTable 6 in the Supplement). In fact, protein from certain fish, such as cod, has been suggested to improve the lipid profile, glycemic control, and insulin sensitivity."
Which begs the question about these correlation studies, *do they account for an omnivorous diet rich in fiber and vegetables*? I in all honesty spent a good hour combing through various studies and statements and could not find an answer to this question. Many of these assessments that look at vegetarians/vegans vs. omnivores give us a clear description of the plant-based diets, which are "well-planned" and include a large variety of vegetables, grains, ect. I have yet to see any omnivorous diets in the assessments be described in a similar fashion.
Furthermore, I see MANY correlations, but little evidence on meats being so bad that they should never be consumed (like they say with trans fats), and generally processed and red meats are said to be the culprits, although the severity of even these foods might be overstated.
We know for a fact that meats offer some nutrients that are easier to absorb, vitamin B12, and complete proteins without having to eat a million different plant foods to obtain. So how can meats, as a whole food, be 'unhealthy' when eaten in moderation? Is their supposed harm so severe that they should be eliminated? I see NO evidence of that. I see correlations that don't seem to account for for other factors of lifestyle, financial status, education, ect. There is robust evidence for eating more plants, for sure. The standard American diet is largely devoid of adequate fiber.
As you can see I looked at your links when they appeared to be from a reasonable source, so you were very wrong about me being "angry and crazy". However, I do particularly resent people who pretend to care about health when they are really concerned about animals dying.
The point of the movie is not say that eating vegan is a surefire way to be a world champion, just that people who eats vegan are not sickly and weak. For a lot of people eating vegan improves their performance in whatever they do. The real point of the movie is that you can reverse atherosclerosis ... and that can save your life.
shareThe movie makes the claim that eating meat at all is unhealthy and that is a lie. If they had just stopped at talking about veganism not having enough protein ect. it would have been fine, but they ALWAYS have the need to spread lies, most likely because of animal rights radicals who don't care about your health and just want to save some animals.
shareCiting science that you might disagree with is not really lying. Your trollish language is not a reasonable way to discussion this. Obviously you feel personally attacked by people who eat plants. Grow a pair!
shareI eat plants too, and meat. Stop spreading lies and misinformation and grow a brain.
shareThe problem is it was created because of an agenda to push the anti-meat movement. So they use studies that support their cause... What they never addressed was the problems you get with a meat free diet. They have scientific studies that show brain function is greater in people that eat mean than in people that are on a meat free diet. So while you can get some health benefits from a meat free diet you also pay a price in other parts of your body but as brain function. So there are downsides to the meat free movement. A fair documentary would give you all sides and not just cherry pick the ones that support their bias. So while it gives you the benefits of a meat free diet it completely ignores the downside.
In the end most people probably eat too much meat and not enough veggies, but going copmletely to one extreme of no meat or no veggies is not going to be the best option but this documentary just goes off the deep end pushing the agenda over the truth.
I respect your opinion, of course, but I have to say that since going totally vegan I feel better than I ever did and am as sharp as I was previously as a vegetarian.
Yes, the movie pushed an agenda because it was about vegan athletes and how they have benefited from a vegan diet. It was more of a documentary. Personally I loved it but we all can't agree on everything 😊
Of course its possible that if you introduced a limited amount of meat into your diet you might feel even better.
As for the documentary I just wanted to scream when they did the pointless little beef, chicken and bean burrito study... I mean come on. If you want to do a test like this for the love of god do it in a way that gets real results that you could say are meaningful. I mean how are would it be to do a test of their endurance or strength on different diets over a multi week period.
I just finished watching it on Netflix and it was a very informative and interesting documentary. But before I started it, I noticed James Cameron and Arnold Schwarzenegger were listed as producers which also spiked my interest. If not for your post though, I might never have watched it. Honestly, I didn't even know it existed until I read your post. Thanks for posting this topic! I don't know about you, but I can easily go days or even weeks without consuming animal meat. Animals are emotional beings and because of that, I hardly ever eat animal meat or fish. I really don't agree with the the whole idea of taking away an animal's life to sustain my life. But I still sometimes consume eggs and dairy products. I wouldn't call myself a vegan yet, but I'm almost a full fledged vegetarian!
shareCongratulations!
Going vegan is a process, not something that can be done overnight. I was a vegetarian for many years before becoming a total vegan. Whenever you're ready, you'll be able to do it but it's wonderful that you've at least mostly given up the flesh.
Best of luck to you :-)
Glad I was helpful in your finding the doc. I always try to make a comment about good movies, or even bad ones to warn people, mostly so I can recall what movies I watched and what my thoughts were.
I started about 10 years ago taking this research seriously and moving towards eating less meat. The less animal products I eat the better I feel for the most part, but I am not totally vegan. The thing that is pushing me more towards veganism is the studies that show that eating any animal products promote atherosclerosis. The part of the movie that showed how dramatic that can be was the tests of the sleeping erections of the athletes, but there were many strong points made in the movie.
I'm just here to post the obligatory cliche "I'm going to go eat a juicy steak" comment that is in all vegan discussions.
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