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Stephen King is an Idiot

posted 5 years ago by ChipDouglas (1602)
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A lot of the characters' actions make no sense. Story is jumbled/dumb

For example:
"Idk why you're calling me but I'll get on the next flight to Derry" - all characters
"You all need to get an artifact/token from your past" "Should we go together?" "No, sorry."
Even though Pennywise has magical powers and could kill someone instantly they are able to escape so many times.
Half the time he is imaginary half the time he is real?
Pennywise is a manifestation of your fears, oh wait no it isn't in your head it's a real thing, but it's also the universe or some shit
Native American magic will stop everything, oh no I actually lied now we all die - Stephen King
Oh wait if we just believe he isn't scary then we'll all live. Never tried that before (except they did multiple times to no effect.)
A spear capable of "monster killing" can get stuck in a hole leading to the universe? How
"Oh I used to love one guy cause he wrote me a poem, but now that I found out YOU wrote it, I love you instead. Sorry about all that. I only base my decision off who I like based on a 3 line poem."
Guy commits suicide: "This is not a suicide note. This is just to say that I knew I couldn't help you and was better off dead." All characters smiling when reading note. "It was a good thing he died"

Stephen King, pick a lane. Have something make some sense dude

[–] Ant1238 (838) 5 years ago

Most of what you said wasn’t in the book, it was written for the film. If you don’t like it, that’s cool, but King has nothing to do with it.

[–] ChipDouglas (1602) 5 years ago

nothing to do with it?

most?

Yeah right. He's an idiot

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

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[–] Ant1238 (838) 5 years ago

Yes, most has nothing to do with it, I didn't mistype.

The entire plotline about them having to split up and go find their tokens that takes up the entire middle of the movie, you won't find one second of that in the novel. Complete fabrication for the film.

The same with Mike telling them about the Native American folklore, and then having lied about it--all for the movie.

How about that magic spear? Movie. Not book. Just movie.

Like I said, hate on the movie all you want, and hate on King if you want too for all I care, go nuts, you just happen to be hating on King for an incorrect reason.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Every movie adaptation of a famous book tends to veer away from the book's plot at points, but this time it keeps the spirit of it: the book did have the adult Losers remembering their past as they wandered the streets and locations of Derry and having IT torment them, but the movie also had them collecting objects as well, macguffins of the story, for a Native American ritual that was expanded in the movie, but just touched upon in the book.

[–] BigGreenYamo (25) 4 years ago

"The entire plotline about them having to split up and go find their tokens that takes up the entire middle of the movie, you won't find one second of that in the novel."

Not true. Sure, the "tokens" weren't, but they very much did split up in the book. Beverly has the Mrs. Kersh encounter. Bill finds "Silver". Ben sees Dracula in the library. Richie gets shit-talked by Paul Bunyan. Eddie runs into zombified Belch.

[–] ChipDouglas (1602) 4 years ago

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[–] ChipDouglas (1602) 4 years ago

"not true." The proceeds to explain that the "go find their tokens" part of the movie was never in the book. Do you even think before writing a comment like this?

[–] Strazdas (2328) 4 years ago

>The entire plotline about them having to split up and go find their tokens that takes up the entire middle of the movie, you won't find one second of that in the novel. Complete fabrication for the film.

There is actually a large portion of the book dedicated to them splitting up and trying to get thier memories back and facing IT on their own during that time. Tokens are not collected, but other than that minor detail it does happen in the books.

I seem to recall a scene where they stab pennywise with a spear inside the house and it hurts him because they believe it hurts him, or was that just the miniseries and am mixing it up?

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Drop him a line so his books will finally be good enough to sell!

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Teehee

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Pennywise feeds off your fears and takes a form based on those fears. That's what Pennywise does, dummy.

[–] Jehosaphet (1055) 5 years ago

Yeah this. That's his whole thing.
That being said, them belittling him at the end of the movie was a little eye-roll inducing. I'm not much of a critic, generally, and really enjoyed this movie, but that was a little silly. They began hurtling insults while still being very much in fear...so the transition to them taking the power in that scene was a little...you had to suspend your disbelief a bit.

IIRC, in the book, they grabbed the heart out of the spider version of IT when IT was still a huge spider, which I don't know...the shrunken version of IT looking all pathetic there on the floor didn't seem to serve up much of a feeling of victory as it otherwise could have, IMO.

Still a good movie nonetheless, and well worth sitting through.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I take it the OP hasn't read the book. Either that or he did read it and didn't understand it.

[–] Faridah (1325) 5 years ago

King did not write this movie. He wrote the book. Read it

[–] alpha68omega (21) 4 years ago

But King does have a lot of creative control over his film adaptations. I know he has the final say on all the actors in his movies and can choose them or fire them at his leisure, so he probably has some control over the scripts as well.

[–] ChipDouglas (1602) 4 years ago

Thank you alpha

[–] Ant1238 (838) 4 years ago

That is not a correct thing. At all. Can you link anything that says that?

(You cannot.)

[–] ChipDouglas (1602) 4 years ago

Thanks Ant, I was able to find one thing, but it was not sufficient enough. He is mostly the source material for movies except for a few where he had more involvement. It, he was just source material. That being said I still think the story is jumbled and crazy and that Stephen King is a boring story creator. I also can't really wrap my head around why a child orgy would ever be needed in something like this.

[–] Ant1238 (838) 4 years ago

Haha, well to each their own. And yeah, I suppose it was wise to leave out the orgy.

[–] spurtle467 (1497) 4 years ago

The thing I don't get with Stanley committing suicide is, couldn't he have just not turned up instead? If the idea was that without him they'd be stronger and he felt that was the right thing to do, then likewise he shouldn't feel too much shame in not turning up and just continuing his life, and breaking his promise that way.

The movie even demonstrated his bravery as a kid when he stuck up for himself against his dad in his speech, so I'm not entirely sure I buy the whole "always been afraid" quote. Unless the experience of getting his face gnashed on by the painting lady killed off any inner courage he may have had.

[–] degree7 (821) 4 years ago

The thing I don't get with Stanley committing suicide is, couldn't he have just not turned up instead?

Going by the book, heading back to Derry was only one of the reasons he killed himself. The other was that he had suppressed the memories of his encounter with IT, only for it all to re-emerge with one phone call. Basically, Stan lost his mind from the sheer cosmic terror of what he was remembering.