the poor getting revenge on the rich act is getting boring day by day. but whats more dangerous is the fact that people sympathies with this joker type evil and sociapathic people. they cheer for them or make excuse for their vandalism. for example the black lives matter movement.
about the movie, its nothing unusual the crazy antagonist with weird lifestyle has done to death.
i am not gushing over this crap.
I'm laughing here because the lead up to this film was a bunch of overzealous reactionary types (probably the people you're against) refusing to watch the film because it would be a glorification of incel culture. The defense by right-wing/neutral people was to point out that the Joker is not a character meant to be emulated. (Also pointing out at that time that nobody had even *seen* the film...)
shareFar too many people go into any movie, especially a very popular or critically acclaimed movie, with the idea that they are supposed to get a certain "message" from it; add to that the conviction of many that the film industry is intent on promoting what they term a "left wing agenda" at every turn and you get some pretty bizarre interpretations.
One truly ironic aspect of this situation is that the result is so frequently people railing against the culture or glorification of victimization, while themselves decrying how they or something they value is being attacked, i.e., victimized. I remember when the very popular 'Avatar' - essentially just another railroads vs. the Indians film - was accused of promoting an anti-military message, despite the fact that the soldiers in the movie were mercenaries in the employ of a corporation that wanted to wipe out an indigenous people in order to exploit their resources. So, the patriotic or conservative take on that scenario would be to, what...root for the corporation?
With 'Joker', how anyone could watch the film and believe they were being urged to cheer for and emulate its main character is beyond my understanding. I guess the maxim that people will see what they want to see applies here.
I recently read a list ranking the episodes of Firefly from best to worst and the list-maker kept listing off reasons like, "Jaynestown is okay, but it focuses on Jayne, and his attitudes towards women are icky," or "Objects in Space is great because we see a lot of sides to River's story, but I don't like Jubal Early because his threats to Kaylee make my skin crawl." Well, they're supposed to.
We aren't supposed to just passively watch this stuff and become the characters on the screen. "Oh, I saw Joker, I guess I'll shoot a bunch of people and dance on the stairs." No! You see Joker and you develop empathy for people who get trapped in these social and psychological death spirals. You think about the political troubles of our times and you try to parse out what's going wrong with society that we can get so tribal and hateful towards each other instead of helping each other.
But everybody gets caught up in left/right.
I think the problem with films like Avatar is that they try to make everything pretty black-and-white so it comes off as "anti/pro" instead of being nuanced. But anybody who took it seriously enough to think it was anti-military is drinking some kinda kool-aid.
Left wing?? Joker is a right wing classic, an essential film anthem for conservative filmgoers.
shareWe aren't supposed to sympathize with the rioters, clearly that went right over your head.
shareI used to think people limiting their minds by political crap was a tragedy, but now I realize it's actually a comedy.
shareThere are people on the right that like the movie and the character of the Joker too. They made him a sort of a revolutionary so he inspires all the revolutionaries on all the political sides.
shareThe point of the film is that it exists in an alternative reality.
Truth is, if this happened in the real world people would blame the poor and immigrants.
It's a left wing dream. But it could never be real.
It's about a person with severe mental illness decompensating into complete dissociative madness.
It's also NY (Gotham) back in the day so craziness and horrific crime was par for the course.
You are not supposed to sympathize with either Arthur or the protesters. You're just watching a movie about how the Joker came to be. That is the alpha and omega. No more, no less.
If there was a political point to this movie it escaped me. To me it was an average origin movie that neither left a political agenda to explore or any real lasting impression to take away. I was disappointed.
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