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Without a gun, the Joker would not be

Imagine guns not being allowed, Arthur's friend could not have gotten a gun for him, not that easy atleast and it would have cost a fortune to get one illegal, he would not have bothered, he could not afford one, maybe he would have given Arthur a can of maze instead.

Now, if Arthur had not shot those 3 bullys, had he not shot the talk show host, there would be no Joker, there would be no story.

If guns were not allowed in the US, and the laws were like in europe for instance, 85% of hollywood movie would and could not be made because guns feature in so many of them.

So the movie business must actually be the biggest advocate for guns still being legal to own and buy in the US, despite hollywood actors seemingly against them.......

Does anyone understand what i mean?

No easily available gun, no murders, no joker, no movie........ guns make movies, guns make money.

I am european, i have no problem with the US and their guns, all i am saying, no gun, no Joker....... am i right?


If gravity had stopped, everyone would have drifted into space and Joker would have been too preoccupied to think about his problems. Maybe he would have really appreciated what he did have before his coming death.

Maybe that!


No gravity... no Joker.. no movie... no money. Hollywood must love gravity so much they even made a movie titled Gravity!

... am I right?




Either Arthur or Randall could easily have acquired the gun illegally from someone and then the movie would still work

Besides that, there's a difference between movies and reality


Joker may have got all stabby stabby with a knife instead as it happens here in Australia and I know in the UK and parts of Europe.


A man who allegedly stabbed a woman to death in Sydney’s central business district before attacking others on a busy city street with a butcher’s knife was arrested carrying information about terrorist attacks and extremist ideologies on a USB drive.

The man has a history of mental health problems. It has been reported that he had escaped from a mental health facility in recent days, but this has not been confirmed. His history is unremarkable compared the gravity of his crimes,” Fuller said. He said the man was known to police in relation to his history of mental health conditions, not because of any links to terror groups.


The rise of knife crime in England and Wales

There were 43,516 knife crime offences in the 12 months ending March 2019.

This is an 80% increase from the low-point in the year ending March 2014, when there were 23,945 offences, and is the highest number since comparable data was compiled.


Police have shot a man who launched a knife attack in Paris dead after he killed a 29-year-old man and injured four others.

Official sources said the attacker was a French citizen born in the Chechnya region of Russia in 1997.

Other knife attack stories:

So different country different setting and still a Joker could happen but with a different way of doing what he did, it was the USA so a Gun was used instead though. Especially on the Talk Show with Murray, Joker could easily be across the desk from where he was sitting and on Murray thrusting a knife into him before anyone there realised what was happening.



wow, that movie looks fucking lame compared to Joker, so cartoonish........ guess they only praise it because the actor died


There was no way Ledger's Joker would have worked in real life. As you said, if he were not dead, this rendition of Joker would receive zero praises.


Guns ARE allowed in Europe (and the UK). Gun control isn't about not allowing people to have guns. It's about not allowing nut-jobs to have them ffs


they are not...... you can't buy handguns, and carry them around.


That doesn't mean they're not allowed!!
It means you're not allowed to carry them around where you don't need them (thank fuck)


Are handguns banned in the UK?

Members of the public may own sporting rifles and shotguns, subject to licensing, but handguns were effectively banned after the Dunblane school massacre in 1996 with the exception of Northern Ireland.

even cops don't have guns.......... no wonder the muzzies took over, spineless brits smh


It's possible to own handguns in the UK legally. They have to have certain features depending on the caliber but they're certainly easy to get on a firearms certificate.