I hate Sam


She's by far the character I hate the most. She's basically a Mary Sue.

I hate how she defies the laws of physics while fighting guys 100 pounds heavier than her. I hate how she's left Karate for 8 some years and picks it back up and is an expert fighter. I hate that she's not a drinker but can drink this delinquent under the table. I hate the way she acts with Robby at school when she feels guilty.

Everybody else is done pretty well. Sam sucks. (So does Daniel but that's another rant.)

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they do need to fix her before she goes full Rey at least she had some training i'm confused about when her training started and stopped

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She already has gone full Rey.

They said in season 1 she stopped when she was around 8. She has her drivers license now so she’s at least 16.

She throws guys and kicks them to the ground. Fat guys 100 pounds heavier than her. Not going to happen.

Science, it works.

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They are all kind of like that though. Can't think of her name but the black overweight female Cobra Kai how does she just improve so quickly, what about weedy dorky Hawk?

At least Sam had some background the others are all beginners and almost overnight they are experts. Yet during training they still listen to some pretty basic advice as if it's the gospel.

But then the original KK was a fantasy too. Danielson advanced quickly as well.

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Daniel looks like a geezer with that fighting posture. With his scrawny shoulders, I just can't take him seriously. He has no upper body strength or any training at all.

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Yea it's hard to take him serious. Even in the original movies he was weaksauce. He's not even a real martial artist. On the other hand Johnny is fit and the actor has a black belt in real life

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Barney Stinson was right all along. Johnny was the real Karate Kid!

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There was an interview with Elisabeth Shue where she said that when she first met Ralph for the first time at a table read she was thinking to herself "He's the karate kid, really?!!"

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I always thought Shue as hot as she is was too mature looking for Danielson. She has that womanly shape and he is just a twig.

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She looked chubby to me. But Macchio despite being the eldest looked 15 and the youngest.

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For sure.

Anyone who watches the original movies closely and knows anything about karate knows that Miyagi-do is bullshit and that Cobra Kai is the real karate.

If we go through the first three films, Daniel's win over Chozen is pretty good but he needed an illegal kick to win the tournament in the first film, and in the third he was getting the shit beat out of him and only won because Mike Barnes got careless and gave too many points away fucking around. If Barnes had just focused on winning then Daniel would have stood no chance.

If you actually want to learn to fight, go with Cobra Kai.

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The thing that always bothered me was how Daniel was able to go up against superior opponents and he miraculously happens to come out on top using a gimmick. With Johnny the crane kick, with Chozen some lame chopping punches brought on by Miyagi drum magic, and with Barnes just one little flip and punch after getting his ass beat the whole time. Daniel is scrawny, he has no power, and he has an awkward stilted fighting style, but with a grandmaster wizard like Mr. Miyagi by his side anything is possible. A special guy like Daniel will of course will have a special daughter to.

Getting back to the subject of the OP which is Sam. This girl kicks everyone's butt and never gets hit herself even though she has just recently gotten back into training after several years absence. It was satisfying to watch this Mary Sue finally get a beating from Tory. Of course she ends up winning, but Tory did really give it to her good

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To be fair, I suppose, the gimmickry was a riff on the real-life element of Asian fighting systems using "secret techniques" that were closely guarded. So I'm not too mad about it, even though the crane kick looks legitimately retarded.

Since you bring up Karate Kid III though, there's a whole lot about that movie that doesn't make sense. For instance, he had just won a fucking DEATH MATCH in the film before it, but somehow was a bigger pussy in KKIII than he was in either of the first two films. And the only reason he was able to beat Barnes was because Silver told Barnes to keep giving up points via illegal techniques and then Daniel happened to get one lucky shot in. If Barnes had gone in focused with the intention to win and hadn't been fucking around then Daniel would have stood no chance. It's clear he was the inferior fighter.

As for Sam, yeah, I mean I don't dislike her but she's clearly overpowered. I was hoping to see Tory win their fight considering that she kind of feels like the underdog here, though she was stupid to bring weapons into it.

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The crane kick wasn't illegal.

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Agreed. Fine, he can win a tournament but no way he’s not getting beat up in a street fight.

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In reality the Cobra Kai's would have put him in hospital and his mother would have moved them somewhere else. End of franchise.

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We also have to remember, that these movies do not try to depict reality as realistically as possible (otherwise, -SO- many things would've been different, especially the male-female-dynamics, which is always shown as 'movie-unrealistic', and this TV show is no exception).

The Karate Kid movie wasn't about 'how realistic would it be for Daniel to beat this or that guy', it was more about showing that physical side isn't everything, and that the two different paths lead to very different results.

It's a lot like 'Star Wars' and the force. The dark side -seems- more powerful and is very alluring and makes sense on the surface, with immediate payoffs and immediate results (you physically punch someone in the face very hard, they will bleed - yay!).

But with the more subtle way of using the force yields long-term results in the end (it has even the power to turn someone from being mercilessly evil, to being good again).

Daniel and Miyagi are like the etheric-astral side of things, they're like the energy that guides the physical, they're like the blueprints that make the house - just mere physical work won't build you a sophisticated house, no matter how many bricks you are able to slap together to claim results.

These movies are like lessons, that should be take more metaphorically, and then applied to your own life; physical side is important, but to get to the very top level, it is never enough. You also need the 'soft touch', you also need the 'fluidity' and not just raw muscle.

You need energy, information, guidance and deeper understanding, that raw musclepower just can't give you. In the end, your physical opponent doesn't even matter anymore, because you are fighting yourself.

Even Bruce Lee talked about using Martial Arts to punch and kick your own hang-ups and such.

So you can look at it as Miyagi teaching Daniel the OTHER side, the higher, softer, more subtle, and yet, more 'long-term-powerful' side of Karate, life and things.

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Cobra Kai focused solely on brutally and mercilessly beating the opponent to a pulp with rage, anger, and physical force.

Miyagi-san knew that this wasn't enough to be really and truly good at Martial Arts (and please notice the 'ARTS' part, not only the 'MARTIAL' part), but something deeper is necessary.

They don't talk about the 'Budō Spirit' or 'Martial Spirit' for nothing. It is very real.

You can only go so far with purely physical approach. Miyagi knew this, Cobra Kai people didn't.

You don't meditate in Cobra Kai, you don't balance your energy, you don't train and work internally, you don't utilize your inner focus - you just punch, smash and mash things and become as evil as possible.

That is not real Karate. And this was the point of the Karate Kid-movies.

I am not sure what the point of this show is, besides shoving nostalgy in our faces and making some haphazard 'story' about the elements in those movies, and then pumping as much boring 'typical teen relationshít drama' in it to fill the void in story as much as possible.

There can be an intense and action-filled scene, and then suddenly we're listening to some teenage hags squeak about their problems. I mean, womens' voices are in so many TV shows like old, unoiled door hinges - they squeak lifelessly until you can barely hear what the last word was. Who thought that kind of speaking style is good? So many women speak like that, it's as annoying as the action starts that grunt or mumble-growl their lines so you long for the old days of Stallone's line delivery.

Why can't people talk like people anymore? Clearly, utilizing your voice and personality energetically and interestingly, instead of squeaking.. ok, a bit off-topic, but still. Sheesh.

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People forget that Karate is not about 'upper body strength' or physical training.

Sure, those things are important, if you are going to be competing, but inner strength beats outer strength.

China Uncensored did this unfinished documentary about Kung Fu, and it exemplifies what I mean perfectly.

"The Truth Behind Traditional Chinese KungFu":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gvGebn11sk

I can't remember how the Kung-Fu teacher explained it exactly (you can see the video yourself), but he basically trained physically very hard, and thought himself 'invincible' because of that.

Then he talked with some old chinese Kung-Fu masters, and yada yada yada, long story short, they arranged a fight, and the physical, young guy exhausted himself without being able to hit the old man even once, while the old man was able to easily and comfortably defeat the young guy.

That's when he realized there's more to Kung-Fu, combat, fighting, etc. than just the physical side. It can be very important (Bruce Lee's self-training was probably more rigorous than anyone's, probably even today), but the 'energy side' plays an important role.

Someone with superior skill and superior inner strength (and superior ability to use their energies) will always win against just brute force and physical training-based fighter, even if their physicality isn't even near as good as the purely physically trained individual.

Karate Kid, the movie (at least the first one), was also not really about how realistic Daniel's 'fighting style' was.

The movie was more of a metaphor of an old Zen koan.

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I will copypaste my own preface that I wrote a long time ago.

-- preface starts --

I read a an imdb review of this movie awhile ago. It was written by someone who thought this movie was trying to be a realistic depiction of how you can beat black belt Karate students. The writer went on about explaining how no one can get a black belt (note that Daniel never officially gets a 'black belt', and one of the points the movie makes is that belts are there to keep the pants up, not to describe your skill level or give you status/value/whatever) in such a short time, even if you are 'god of karate', you can't do it.

Bruce Lee hated all the degrees, the dans, the 'black belt masters' and all that crap. They are just artificial designations signifying nothing, just to rip off gullible people's money. The belt color originally meant that the student is not yet really ready to start learning, if he has a white belt. I am not sure if it's accurate, but it is said that there were only white and black belts originally. Once the teacher saw that the student is finally ready to actually start learning, the student would get a black belt.

Then came the variations of colors between white and black. But black belt still meant that a student is now ready to start learning - not that the owner of it is somehow skillful. In the end, the belt color doesn't matter - only your actual skills, level and ability.

This is what I think the author of the review didn't really get.

Sure, Karate Kid has a lot of silly things - and a lot of unnecessary parts, plotholes and such. Of course any movie 'romantisizes' a martial art - they don't usually show learning as painstaking and boring process where you have to repeat a lot and work really hard for very long time. Why would they? Movies are supposed to be entertainment, not documentaries.

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"I do realize that the teaching about waxing and painting and standing on one leg on a boat doesn't really describe what western people are taught in Karate classes, and probably wouldn't prepare Daniel very well for any kind of combat situation (that requires a lot of sparring practice)."

-- preface ends --

And here's the Zen koan that I talked about for clearer understanding.

Matajuro Yagyu was the son of a famous swordsman. His father, believing that his son's work was too mediocre to anticipate mastership, disowned him.

So Matajuro went to Mount Futara and there found the famous swordsman Banzo. But Banzo confirmed the father's judgment. "You wish to learn swordsmanship under my guidance?" asked Banzo. "You cannot fulfill the requirements."

"But if I work hard, how many years will it take me to become a master?" persisted the youth.

"The rest of your life," replied Banzo.

"I cannot wait that long," explained Matajuro. "I am willing to pass through any hardship if only you will teach me. If I become your devoted servant, how long might it be?"

"Oh, maybe ten years," Banzo relented.

"My father is getting old, and soon I must take care of him," continued Matajuro. "If I work far more intensively, how long would it take me?"

"Oh, maybe thirty years," said Banzo.

"Why is that?" asked Matajuro. "First you say ten and now thirty years. I will undergo any hardship to master this art in the shortest time!"

"Well," said Banzo, "in that case you will have to remain with me for seventy years. A man in such a hurry as you are to get results seldom learns quickly."

"Very well," declared the youth, understanding at last that he was being rebuked for impatience, "I agree."

Matajuro was told never to speak of fencing and never to touch a sword. He cooked for his master, washed the dishes, made his bed, cleaned the yard, cared for the garden, all without a word of swordsmanship.

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Three years passed. Still Matajuro labored on. Thinking of his future, he was sad. He had not even begun to learn the art to which he had devoted his life.

But one day Banzo crept up behind him and gave him a terrific blow with a wooden sword.

The following day, when Matajuro was cooking rice, Banzo again sprang upon him unexpectedly.

After that, day and night, Matajuro had to defend himself from unexpected thrusts. Not a moment passed in any day that he did not have to think of the taste of Banzo's sword.

He learned so rapidly he brought smiles to the face of his master. Matajuro became the greatest swordsman in the land.

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Huh? Wasn't it the MMA fighter challenging all those Kung Fu masters who go down within a minute or less without a fight? And in return, China makes the MMA guy's life a living hell?

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There's also a documentary about Aikidō、 where a western 'very physically trained' guy can't believe what he's seeing on video, and goes to test those Aikidō masters himself.

He ends up realizing he can't even hit them, because they seem to be able to predict what he's going to do and avoid his attacks, while also being able to pin him down right when he attacks.

So sure, your statement can be correct, if taken with a bit of salt or at least an asterisk.

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If Sam is a master, then there is a point to your posts. Was it ever stayed that 16 year old Sam was a master?

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The drinking contest seems a bit illogical, though. I mean, the evil girl already won the contest, so she must be pretty sauced - she can't just 'reset' her drunkenness to zero so she can have another go at it.

So basically it was someone who's "90% sauced" versus someone, who is "0% sauced" - doesn't make any sense to have a competition like that. They should've both started at the same, exact drunkenness level (and the easiest way to do that is when both start sober).

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I don't like how Sam didn't bother apologizing to Robby for cheating on him when Tory outed her at the school. She just stood there with an unapologetic look.

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Yeah I know. But she could have tried to apologize to Robby once he found out.

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She's a Zoomer. What's to like?

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I don't hate her and and i don't think she's quite a "Mary Sue" but i don't love her character. She's a bit spoiled, naive & often acts oblivious to other people's feelings but in a way that's fairly realistic for a teenage girl in her position.

Yes how quickly she retains & further gsins advanced Karate Skills is unrealistic But honestly most of the characters seem to display unrealistic skills in proportion to how long they've been training & what their skill level was prior.

Easily the worst offender of this and by far the worst character though is Dimitri. His easily getting the better of Hawk during the school brawl made absolutely no sense whatsoever & was so undeserved.

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