What was wrong with Cliff?


He seemed alright until he arrived at that ranch and started to act weird, asking too many questions and beating a guy, what was his problem, the people from the ranch were very friendly with him...

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The problem with Cliff is that he was a poorly written character with poorly written motivations.

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I wouldn't turn this into a poor script issue. He is going through a midlife crisis, not many job offers, running petty errands for his boss, who himself is way past his own heyday, and then he figures out things are strange on the ranch, whose owner he knows. So it's a mixture of a lot of time on his hands, personal frustrations and some genuine curiosity.

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Not sure if you're joking, but I'll answer. They were a bunch of hippies/druggies who had taken over a place he knew. He wanted to make sure the owner was ok, and the hippies were being unreasonable as far as letting him see the owner. When he came out, he saw they had damaged his tire and wouldn't fix it. So he made the guy fix it. The guy learned about consequences.

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This is the correct response

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Yep. I thought it was staggeringly, blatantly obvious the moment he arrived at the ranch that something was not right...and he was quick to pick up on it.

Jesus...do some people watch movies half asleep?

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Second screen. Sometimes a third. Split attention spans these days keep people distracted and dumb.

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They were a bunch of hippies/druggies who had taken over a place he knew. He wanted to make sure the owner was ok, and the hippies were being unreasonable as far as letting him see the owner.

The hippies were very friendly, one of them even offered to suck his cock while he was driving, what man in his right mind would turn down this, ain't nothing wrong with getting your dick sucked while you are speeding in a cool ass car...
Also the owner of the ranch didn't even remember him or give a shit about him...

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Have you seen "The World According to Garp" ?

You will never look at getting a bj in the car the same way.

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My thoughts exactly. I could never go through with it after watching that.

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George Spahn had lost his sight and apparently some of his memory, but that doesn't matter to the sequence. Cliff got concerned about George when hippie girl said she lived at the ranch. Cliff wasn't interested in underage, diseased activities. He was interested in making sure George was ok. Even if he barely knew the guy. That's what real men do when they sense trouble. They don't walk the other way. They do what needs to be done.

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,^^^This.

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Thanks Dagger. Well said.

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🙂

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His turning down the BJ is an obvious stab at Roman Polanski. He checked in on an old friend and saw he WAS being taken advantage of but let it go because he seemed happy and was not being abused. You got a tough stunt man type who’s tire is stabbed and the skinny yuck mouth hippie who did it is sitting there laughing. What do you think is going to happen?

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Didn’t he turn down the BJ because he knew she was under age?

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yup

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And Cliff gets plenty of action, anyway, I'm sure.

He didn't need to mess with some underage dirty hippie.

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Even if he was a virgin, he shouldn’t mess around with a minor.

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True.

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what man in his right mind would turn down this


You think a getting a hummer from a piece of jailbait on a public highway in broad daylight is worth the risk? OK. Must be an incel thing.

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This is pretty much spot-on.

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Exactly. I had no issue with his actions.

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How every situation like this should be handled.

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Yep.
If someone is asking for an ass-whooping.
You give it to them.

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His whack job limit had been reached..

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he didn't get dat BJ he wanted.. cause he was again askin too many questions !

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Because he was concerned they were taking advantage or hurt the old man living in that ranch. That was pretty brave and considerate of him to do actually. Anyone else would've run away.

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The scene was meant to show us the extent of Cliff's loyalty. He sensed that something wasn't right about the Spahn ranch situation. He decided to confirm the safety of a long-ago friend despite the hostility -- and potential physical danger -- simmering just below the surface.

That's the kind of guy that has your back.

I only caught the tail end of the flat tire / beating scene... As a 50-ish former rough-around-the-edges stuntman, he had no patience or tolerance for 'hippie' BS and intimidation would be my guess.

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Tarantino has said that Cliff's character carries "a monster within himself," and, if provoked, Cliff unleashes the monster. Its what he does to the Manson guy who put the knife in his tire; and way at the end, its what he does to the OTHER Manson family members.

On a "lower level," Cliff unleashes the monster on Bruce Lee when gets tired of the bragging -- Cliff insults Lee about being "a dancer who can't handle a real fight," and "a little man with a chip(on the shoulder)," plus "you wouldn't be a stain on Cassius Clay's shorts." This leads to the agreed-upon fight between the two men, and to Cliff getting fired, but Cliff rather brings it on himself with the heavy insults to Lee. He let the monster out.

These glimpses of the "monster" in Cliff further feed the idea that maybe he DID kill his wife. We certainly see her insulting him within an inch of his life...could that have triggered the monster?

And why DOES Cliff have the monster within? One single solitary line uttered by Leo to Kurt Russell gives us the clue: "He's fckin war hero." A War hero likely from WWII, or Korea, or both. And war heroes -- usually kill a lot of people. Cliff may have come back with his war hero "monster" within. (Which, interestingly enough, ties cliff to DeNiro's "Irishman," a killer solder who brings his murderous skills back to the States for the Mafia.)


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"And why DOES Cliff have the monster within? One single solitary line uttered by Leo to Kurt Russell gives us the clue: "He's fckin war hero.""

Good catch. That line didn't mean much to me at the time, yeah, maybe there was more significance than I attached to it.

"These glimpses of the "monster" in Cliff further feed the idea that maybe he DID kill his wife. We certainly see her insulting him within an inch of his life...could that have triggered the monster?"

Good point.

On another thread, I posed this very question. It was strictly a poll as we'll never know for certain unless QT eventually tells us.

Although I like to think he didn't murder her, he gave her a pretty intense look as he casually pointed the spear gun in her direction. It was very different look compared to his persona throughout the rest of the movie where he sort of let everything just roll off his back.

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"A War hero likely from WWII, or Korea, or both."

You know, on further reflection, you may have solved another mystery for me.

When Cliff squares off against Bruce Lee, he doesn't fight using classic Western boxing... something that most stuntmen of the day were trained in for staging movie fights.

He uses some sort of martial arts himself, starting with his initial combat stance.

If he did fight in Korea -- he would have been in his early 30s -- it's possible that he picked up some martial arts while he was over there. (Chuck Norris got his start while serving in the military in post-war Korea.)

Nice bit of detective work there, ecarle...

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Hi Memeito,

You should join my cult.

No I meant my group or really cool friends.

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